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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Whatever, we're just going in circles. In the end you win because the govt does whatever it wants, and you dont care.
    No, I "win" (if you really care about such things) because I am right.

    As for your claim of "you don't care"...don't make assertions you know nothing about.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, I "win" (if you really care about such things) because I am right.

    As for your claim of "you don't care"...don't make assertions you know nothing about.
    No, you win because you side with the tyrancial govt that has all the guns and does whatever they please under two words in the constitution. If that is how you want to live, then leave me out of it.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Luckily the House adjourned before the bill was passed, so weve saved a few billion in interest until the next congress comes in and gets pressured to send some more welfare to the northeast.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is a part of the taxation for the general welfare. I gave you the article and section regarding it.
    Wrong. I'm just going to quote myself here since I'm tired of writing it over and over again in a slightly different way.

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    The General Welfare clause was meant to ensure that the Powers granted applied to the population in general as opposed to certain towns, counties, or states. Now understand the constitution grants the power to tax ONLY IN ORDER TO provide for the general welfare and the common defense.
    Now that you understand what General Welfare means perhaps you now understand why they can't tax towards financial assistance?

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Would you really have more wealth if we didn't repair after disasters? Our economy wouldn't exactly be as strong you know.

    Also I get the hardliner individualist theme, but you're a member of society and like any member you have obligations to that society
    Which don't include paying your way unless I otherwise decide to do such. Great useless argument, btw. It was almost as good as that democrat in the house going on about the social contract after she failed to get her way.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I have no problem with my tax dollars being used to help people who's lives have been destroyed, especially those who don't have the capacity to put their lives back together again. Nothing is served by letting people or cities that have suffered a natural disaster deal with it on their own. For example what benefit would the United States had if we left millions of people and our biggest economic hub, New York City, without any kind of aid or federal assistance? None at all.
    Then go over to New York and give them your money. Problem solved.

    Helping each other is the job of the community, not the government.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then go over to New York and give them your money. Problem solved.

    Helping each other is the job of the community, not the government.
    I don't have enough money to solve those problems...

    What about publically owned things that were damaged in the storm, bridges, subways, etc should not the government pay, using your taxes, to rebuild the things it owns?

    I still fail to see how your plan would result in a better reconstruction, or are you uninterested in that?

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, you win because you side with the tyrancial govt that has all the guns and does whatever they please under two words in the constitution. If that is how you want to live, then leave me out of it.
    Oh yes, providing humanitarian assistance to disaster victims is really tyranical. Get a grip.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Wrong. I'm just going to quote myself here since I'm tired of writing it over and over again in a slightly different way.

    The General Welfare clause was meant to ensure that the Powers granted applied to the population in general as opposed to certain towns, counties, or states. Now understand the constitution grants the power to tax ONLY IN ORDER TO provide for the general welfare and the common defense.
    Now that you understand what General Welfare means perhaps you now understand why they can't tax towards financial assistance?
    You do realize that you just contradicted yourself right? Also providing for the general welfare and common defense of the US doesn't always entail useing guns you know. And as I've said before, major disasters often have far reaching consequences that can affect the entire US and not just to the area hit directly by a disaster.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh yes, providing humanitarian assistance to disaster victims is really tyranical. Get a grip.
    Taking money from someone using force and then giving it to someone else, without the power to do so, is indeed tyranical. Get a clue.

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