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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    The flood maps in NJ are in the process of being re-drawn and flood insurance will go up around $1,000.00 per month, which many people cannot afford since a lot of properties at the shore are "legacy properties" which have been handed down for generations to people who will now be unable to afford flood insurance, and which will probably be mandatory.
    I think you must be thinking private flood or some sort of no exception disaster insurance. federal flood insurance is usually a one time fee (typically when you purchase the property or refi). After Katrina people whose homes were destroyed while they evacuated had issues getting payment because their home owners said flood should pay and flood said homeowner's should pay.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    I could be wrong, but I thought it was FEMA who was re-assessing the FEMA rates, or it could be a misquote from the Philadelphia Inquirer.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I have no problem with my tax dollars being used to help people who's lives have been destroyed, especially those who don't have the capacity to put their lives back together again. Nothing is served by letting people or cities that have suffered a natural disaster deal with it on their own. For example what benefit would the United States had if we left millions of people and our biggest economic hub, New York City, without any kind of aid or federal assistance? None at all.
    It would benefit me by having more freedom and wealth.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: The federalist papers are not law.

    2: Reality has shown that the government HAS used that clause for damn near everything that they possibly can.

    3: It is the governments responsibility to protect the whole of the US and her interests. A major disaster can have far reaching affects that span the entire country from things like disease to economics. Such things could affect the US governments ability to defend this country from both foreign and domestic threats. Since it is the governments responsibility to protect the US helping with major natural disasters would obviously fall under that responsibility. Or would you rather the government ignore the plight of US citizens across the country?

    Now if you were to argue against helping other countries which the US has no interest in then you might have a valid point. But we are talking about disasters that happen on US soil. Quite obviously that would mean that the Government has an interest.
    Now youve moved on to opinion. Lets stick to legality. That the govt routinely violates the constitution doesnt negate what it says. And the federalist papers were written by the writers of the constitution to explain the meaning of it. I credit their interpretation more than yours. They also wrote into it a way to add disaster aid to the list of powers if you wanted. And a bill of rights which was supposed to make it even more clear that any powers not specifically in it, was not allowed.

    3 - I would rather the federal govt follow the law and stick to its actual written powers, primarily defending our lives from violence, and ensuring justice.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It would benefit me by having more freedom and wealth.
    Would you really have more wealth if we didn't repair after disasters? Our economy wouldn't exactly be as strong you know.

    Also I get the hardliner individualist theme, but you're a member of society and like any member you have obligations to that society

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Now youve moved on to opinion. Lets stick to legality. That the govt routinely violates the constitution doesnt negate what it says. And the federalist papers were written by the writers of the constitution to explain the meaning of it. I credit their interpretation more than yours. They also wrote into it a way to add disaster aid to the list of powers if you wanted. And a bill of rights which was supposed to make it even more clear that any powers not specifically in it, was not allowed.

    3 - I would rather the federal govt follow the law and stick to its actual written powers, primarily defending our lives from violence, and ensuring justice.
    None of what I said was opinion. 1 is a fact. The federalist papers were not law. And they were not trying to define the constitution in those papers. They were trying to convince the individual states to ratify them. They said what needed to be said. 2: Is also a fact. SCOTUS has ruled. 3: Is also a fact. It is the governments job to protect the interests of this country.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    None of what I said was opinion. 1 is a fact. The federalist papers were not law. And they were not trying to define the constitution in those papers. They were trying to convince the individual states to ratify them. They said what needed to be said. 2: Is also a fact. SCOTUS has ruled. 3: Is also a fact. It is the governments job to protect the interests of this country.
    So which is a more accurate explanation of what the constitution means, the federalist papers, or you? SCOTUS can rule all they want. They do not have the power to define the law. They rule on cases, thats it. That is also in the constitution. And 3 is clearly YOUR opinion.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

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    This, of course depends on the severity of the disaster and the conditions of the people.
    Congress must fund when the infrastructure is destroyed, this is something that is not insured, I believe..
    Often times I believe that we would be better off without insurance companies...they only exist to make a ton of money anyway...and they create open avenues for stealing and greed.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So which is a more accurate explanation of what the constitution means, the federalist papers, or you? SCOTUS can rule all they want. They do not have the power to define the law. They rule on cases, thats it. That is also in the constitution. And 3 is clearly YOUR opinion.
    Accurate does not equal complete. Again, they were just trying to get the Constitution ratified and was saying what they thought would get the job done.

    And you're right that SCOTUS does not have the power to define law. But they do have the power to determine if a law is constitutional or not.

    And no, 3 is not my opinion. Protecting the US is exactly what the Federal government was made for.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Accurate does not equal complete. Again, they were just trying to get the Constitution ratified and was saying what they thought would get the job done.

    And you're right that SCOTUS does not have the power to define law. But they do have the power to determine if a law is constitutional or not.

    And no, 3 is not my opinion. Protecting the US is exactly what the Federal government was made for.
    Whatever, we're just going in circles. In the end you win because the govt does whatever it wants, and you dont care.

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