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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Absolutely, of course, but there is the high cost..

    In truth, some places are more risky than others...IMO, some are so risky (California mudslides for one) that NO aid should ever be given and that NO intelligent man would choose to live....this is common sense....people should use this now and again...
    I think that it is good economic sense to dredge our rivers, have strong buildings, and protect our coasts..
    I am leery of insurance in general - all too often, this leads to corruption/stealing (Medicare as an example)
    I think you wouldn't give those regions aid because generally people buy their way into those risky situations.

    But my point is, if you're going to have disaster insurance, its unfair to then have the federal government giving an area an additional $50B in aid, when that is supposed to be paid by the insurance companies.

    Its like getting into a nonfatal car wreck, having the insurance company buy you a new car and pay your medical bills, then expect the city to write you an additional check for your "personal tragedy."

    And interesting. I thought all liberal/progressives were for universal health insurance. That is an insurance after all.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The reason that the government doesn't help when just two homes are struck by a tornado is simple. They are not needed. Thats why the Red Cross and other similar programs exist. The government gets involved when the disaster is too big to be handled by charity alone. And the government does have a interest in helping with larger disasters for the simple fact that if they didn't then there would be far larger consequences, such as disease, economic troubles etc etc...things which affect the whole of the US and not just the area that was hit by disaster. 2 homes being destroyed does not affect the whole of the US near as much as 1000 homes and buisnesses being destroyed.
    Exactly... but I think its dangerous for the federal government to pick up the entire bill and leave other responsible parties off the hook.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    There is no such clause which has to do with disaster aid. Quote it.
    It is a part of the taxation for the general welfare. I gave you the article and section regarding it.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Exactly... but I think its dangerous for the federal government to pick up the entire bill and leave other responsible parties off the hook.
    1: What other responsible parties? Who is responsible for what amounts to in the legal world "Acts of God"?

    2: How is it dangerous? A specific set of circumstances must happen for the government to take part. Those circumstances are thing which the government, indeed no one period, has control over. Unless you buy into conspiracy theories regarding HARP?
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: What other responsible parties? Who is responsible for what amounts to in the legal world "Acts of God"?

    2: How is it dangerous? A specific set of circumstances must happen for the government to take part. Those circumstances are thing which the government, indeed no one period, has control over. Unless you buy into conspiracy theories regarding HARP?
    Its dangerous if we have private companies offer insurance, and then add the complete cost of federal aid on top of that.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is a part of the taxation for the general welfare. I gave you the article and section regarding it.
    That clause says nothing about disaster aid. And the writers made it clear that general welfare was not a blank check to give the govt any power it thinks is in the countries best interest. That would make the rest of the sec unnecesary.

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    It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,'' amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms "to raise money for the general welfare.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The problem is the state is using my money to help someone who built in the wrong place. To rebuild in the same place. And then they will charge me again when their house gets knocked down again.
    So we just shouldn't build in the Northeast anymore.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Its dangerous if we have private companies offer insurance, and then add the complete cost of federal aid on top of that.
    Simply being a disaster victim doesn't get you money from the government. You must qualify for it also. If you have insurance I doubt that you get federal aid unless that insurance does not cover the full cost of the damage.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Folks in NJ don't squawk when we fork over money to help everyone else with their tragedies and disasters. Why is SS Sandy different?

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    That clause says nothing about disaster aid. And the writers made it clear that general welfare was not a blank check to give the govt any power it thinks is in the countries best interest. That would make the rest of the sec unnecesary.
    1: The federalist papers are not law.

    2: Reality has shown that the government HAS used that clause for damn near everything that they possibly can.

    3: It is the governments responsibility to protect the whole of the US and her interests. A major disaster can have far reaching affects that span the entire country from things like disease to economics. Such things could affect the US governments ability to defend this country from both foreign and domestic threats. Since it is the governments responsibility to protect the US helping with major natural disasters would obviously fall under that responsibility. Or would you rather the government ignore the plight of US citizens across the country?

    Now if you were to argue against helping other countries which the US has no interest in then you might have a valid point. But we are talking about disasters that happen on US soil. Quite obviously that would mean that the Government has an interest.
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