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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Hate to break it to all those people saying that we shouldn't help those that build along the coast due to natural disasters but it doesn't matter where you build on this planet...every single spot is subject to natural disasters. Tornado's, hurricanes, earthquakes, electrical storms, blizzards, sand storms, tsunami's...these are all a part of this planet and at least ONE of them will hit in your area some time or another. The only way that you're going to escape these things is if you build a space station and live on it. Course then you're subject to solar storms and meteorites.

    Yes the government should help in disaster relief. Serving the people is one of its primary responsiblities.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    This is a real tragedy with real people that need help.

    The problem is that Americans are demonized full time as stingy and greedy while being overwhelmed 24/7 with sobbing and wailing demands for support and sympathy, more money, unsolvable problems, foreigners that have come simply because they want freebies, endless emotion and victimization. The boundless generosity of Americans was seen as a trait that could be vastly exploited around the world. And exploited us they have.

    Many of us are tired of giving, take your sob story and shove it, stay in your worthless 3rd world country rather than coming here and whining. Give money to what few Americans are left in New York if there are any.

    Nobody can even know how to evaluate real American tragedies anymore. Why haven't all the foreign governments we've helped sent money to the Northeast? Why hasn't the government of Mexico sent help and cash? We took all of their uneducated, crime ridden, huge families to support. How much has been sent by China and Japan, how much from Israel? Nobody helps the generous Americans, they all just take, ridicule us and take some more.

    How many real enemies of America are in those NE states? With the American culture destroyed by multiculturalism, there is no way to know. I don't want them to have my money. I don't even want the Obama supporters to have my money. I'd like to help the children and rebuild the infrastructure only, but there's no way to do that. The enemies hide amongst the good Americans.

    The liberal government has truly trapped us.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    This is a real tragedy with real people that need help.

    The problem is that Americans are demonized full time as stingy and greedy while being overwhelmed 24/7 with sobbing and wailing demands for support and sympathy, more money, unsolvable problems, foreigners that have come simply because they want freebies, endless emotion and victimization. The boundless generosity of Americans was seen as a trait that could be vastly exploited around the world. And exploited us they have.

    Many of us are tired of giving, take your sob story and shove it, stay in your worthless 3rd world country rather than coming here and whining. Give money to what few Americans are left in New York if there are any.

    Nobody can even know how to evaluate real American tragedies anymore. Why haven't all the foreign governments we've helped sent money to the Northeast? Why hasn't the government of Mexico sent help and cash? We took all of their uneducated, crime ridden, huge families to support. How much has been sent by China and Japan, how much from Israel? Nobody helps the generous Americans, they all just take, ridicule us and take some more.

    How many real enemies of America are in those NE states? With the American culture destroyed by multiculturalism, there is no way to know. I don't want them to have my money. I don't even want the Obama supporters to have my money. I'd like to help the children and rebuild the infrastructure only, but there's no way to do that. The enemies hide amongst the good Americans.

    The liberal government has truly trapped us.
    These third world countries that you accuse of ignoring our charitable good works would probably mention that we got their resources wholesale by purchasing the management of their countries to control the raping of the citizenry. Japan reinvested billions in the USA to repatriate USA dollars. China is in the same trap. China is doing with their currency what we did with ours for 70 years. Get your head out of that controlled media and take a look at the real world. Start with Vietnam, Granada, Panama, Colombia, Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Phillipines, etc. Oil, copper, gas, cocoa, cobalt, rare earth, silver, gold, etc. are what we have taken for all this alleged goodwill and it has not been fair trade. We have always charged handsomely for our value added to cheap resources and the tables have turned. Make some practical suggestions on how to get us back to "honest" traders.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hate to break it to all those people saying that we shouldn't help those that build along the coast due to natural disasters but it doesn't matter where you build on this planet...every single spot is subject to natural disasters. Tornado's, hurricanes, earthquakes, electrical storms, blizzards, sand storms, tsunami's...these are all a part of this planet and at least ONE of them will hit in your area some time or another. The only way that you're going to escape these things is if you build a space station and live on it. Course then you're subject to solar storms and meteorites.

    Yes the government should help in disaster relief. Serving the people is one of its primary responsiblities.
    Theres no need to escape them. Individuals can deal with weather. The question is whether everyone else has to take care of you. It wasnt intended by the constitution, but here we are 500bn later.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hate to break it to all those people saying that we shouldn't help those that build along the coast due to natural disasters but it doesn't matter where you build on this planet...every single spot is subject to natural disasters. Tornado's, hurricanes, earthquakes, electrical storms, blizzards, sand storms, tsunami's...these are all a part of this planet and at least ONE of them will hit in your area some time or another. The only way that you're going to escape these things is if you build a space station and live on it. Course then you're subject to solar storms and meteorites.

    Yes the government should help in disaster relief. Serving the people is one of its primary responsiblities.

    Then it either should cover everyone or stop all together, enough with the selective benefits. If a tornado touches down and takes out 2 homes does the federal government swoop in and help cover expenses? So then why do they when a larger disaster happens? Is a persons home any less valuable to them because the same disaster didn't also take out hundreds of others?

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Cut the budget increase in defense and spend a few more billions in helping those people. God dammit, in case of natural disaster it is the duty of the state to help out. People NEED to look for one another. The state uses YOUR money or YOUR debt to help YOU, the citizen, just not you directly, but indirectly. That being said, I think the money will be even more wisely used if the 60bil $ will be given to the municipalities who were affected, instead of having the federal government regulate the money which will get wasted in the bureaucracy.
    So are we just going to get rid of flood insurance then?

    But I think more limited aid should be provided in the form of food, water, temporary shelter, etc etc. And I think the government should invest money in making building more flood resistant and such.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Theres no need to escape them. Individuals can deal with weather. The question is whether everyone else has to take care of you. It wasnt intended by the constitution, but here we are 500bn later.
    What goes around comes around. If you were ever a part of a natural disaster you would get help also. Its not like there is a vacuum where only select people get help and select people never do. And yes, it was intended in the Constitution. Section 8 article 1.

    Not to mention its just plain common decency to help those struck by natural disasters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Then it either should cover everyone or stop all together, enough with the selective benefits. If a tornado touches down and takes out 2 homes does the federal government swoop in and help cover expenses? So then why do they when a larger disaster happens? Is a persons home any less valuable to them because the same disaster didn't also take out hundreds of others?
    The reason that the government doesn't help when just two homes are struck by a tornado is simple. They are not needed. Thats why the Red Cross and other similar programs exist. The government gets involved when the disaster is too big to be handled by charity alone. And the government does have a interest in helping with larger disasters for the simple fact that if they didn't then there would be far larger consequences, such as disease, economic troubles etc etc...things which affect the whole of the US and not just the area that was hit by disaster. 2 homes being destroyed does not affect the whole of the US near as much as 1000 homes and buisnesses being destroyed.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    So are we just going to get rid of flood insurance then?

    But I think more limited aid should be provided in the form of food, water, temporary shelter, etc etc. And I think the government should invest money in making building more flood resistant and such.
    Absolutely, of course, but there is the high cost..

    In truth, some places are more risky than others...IMO, some are so risky (California mudslides for one) that NO aid should ever be given and that NO intelligent man would choose to live....this is common sense....people should use this now and again...
    I think that it is good economic sense to dredge our rivers, have strong buildings, and protect our coasts..
    I am leery of insurance in general - all too often, this leads to corruption/stealing (Medicare as an example)

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im referring to H.R. 1 which, which in addition to spending 650 billion on defense, adds another 60 billion in specific funding related to natural disasters. My answer is no. First off, the federal govt does not have the power to spend money on flood insurance, transportation other than post roads, housing, flooding or small business loans. Second, it is individuals responsibility first to avoid risk from nature, and if deciding to take that risk, to cover their losses when damages occur (with local govt or charity if they choose). Third, the country is already borrowing a trillion dollars a year. If people want it to spend money on this, they should raise the revenue seperately through a special tax or cut spending to cover the additional spending. Fourth, this should not be bundled with the defense appropriations. It is not germane and it puts pressure on representatives to play political games.

    To put it another way, if the govt succeeds in raising taxes on the rich, that additional revenue will already be spent by this one bill.
    When you build your home on land that obviously is prone to flood we taxpayers owe you nothing, you made the decision to live there so live with your decision. I live out in the woods and someday a forest fire may burn up my land, my home my barn etc. You will not see me begging for other people to help me, it's my decision to live here.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What goes around comes around. If you were ever a part of a natural disaster you would get help also. Its not like there is a vacuum where only select people get help and select people never do. And yes, it was intended in the Constitution. Section 8 article 1.
    There is no such clause which has to do with disaster aid. Quote it.

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