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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im referring to H.R. 1 which, which in addition to spending 650 billion on defense, adds another 60 billion in specific funding related to natural disasters. My answer is no. First off, the federal govt does not have the power to spend money on flood insurance, transportation other than post roads, housing, flooding or small business loans. Second, it is individuals responsibility first to avoid risk from nature, and if deciding to take that risk, to cover their losses when damages occur (with local govt or charity if they choose). Third, the country is already borrowing a trillion dollars a year. If people want it to spend money on this, they should raise the revenue seperately through a special tax or cut spending to cover the additional spending. Fourth, this should not be bundled with the defense appropriations. It is not germane and it puts pressure on representatives to play political games.

    To put it another way, if the govt succeeds in raising taxes on the rich, that additional revenue will already be spent by this one bill.
    Simply put, no.


    It is another example of the governments selective nature and nothing to do with fairness. Small incidents of floods, fires, earthquakes, ect where persons may have lost their homes the federal government turns a blind eye. Only when it is large enough scale to garner real public attention do they offer to help. Tell me, the 10 people that lost their homes in small indecents, is it any less traumatic or difficult for them? Why are they overlooked?

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer
    Absolutely they should. If this country can spend trillions fighting stupid wars in the MI, we can spend a few billion helping our sisters and brothers in the Northeast.
    Wow, I'm glad I left Michigan before they got invaded.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    we have to fund the cleanup this time around. however, i would support taking a serious look at where we're building, and consider not putting houses right on the coast. as much as i hate it, communities which are going to get knocked down again and again might be better served by using the money to relocate them. this is incredibly easy for me to say, though, because i don't live in one of them, and if it were my own town, i would have a really hard time seeing the whole place torn down and moved.

    as for whether i'd rather see the money spent on this or on interventionism, it isn't even a contest. we don't need a military presence all over the world, and we shouldn't be spending anything to nation build anywhere but here.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I read your post carefully and agree with much that you stated. Nevertheless I voted that the NE disaster relief should be funded. The secondary impact of the funding creates jobs locally. Downhome repairs. Local. There are not many successful job creation programs, but this is one, even if it is not the primary intent. Pull the $60 billion out of our Military Offense budget.
    Well then we should have more disasters, since its a wealth multiplier. This is a myth of course. Stossel had economist David Henderson on one time to explain how. The common sense answer is that the money has to come from somewhere first. So helping them hurts someone else. Much like destroying old cars hurt used car sales. Theres an opportunity cost.

    Hayek and Hurricanes, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I see how that can be troublesome. However, how often does such a hurricane happen?
    Hurricanes damage coastal areas every year.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we have to fund the cleanup this time around. however, i would support taking a serious look at where we're building, and consider not putting houses right on the coast. as much as i hate it, communities which are going to get knocked down again and again might be better served by using the money to relocate them. this is incredibly easy for me to say, though, because i don't live in one of them, and if it were my own town, i would have a really hard time seeing the whole place torn down and moved.

    as for whether i'd rather see the money spent on this or on interventionism, it isn't even a contest. we don't need a military presence all over the world, and we shouldn't be spending anything to nation build anywhere but here.
    I disagree in part. People can put houses whereever they want. They just shouldnt make me pay for it when it gets destroyed by weather.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The problem is the state is using my money to help someone who built in the wrong place. To rebuild in the same place. And then they will charge me again when their house gets knocked down again.

    Excellent point. I don't think any of the million dollar ocean front properties should be repaired or reimbursed. I also don't think beach erosion should get any funding. With Global Warming, the oceans will continue rising and why fight a losing battle. The hurricane was not selective and didn't just damage beachfront, but you can be damn sure some politicians own beachfront and they will be jockeying to feather their own nests. The politics will be right out of the sewers, but that's what the best politicians money can buy buys.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well then we should have more disasters, since its a wealth multiplier. This is a myth of course. Stossel had economist David Henderson on one time to explain how. The common sense answer is that the money has to come from somewhere first. So helping them hurts someone else. Much like destroying old cars hurt used car sales. Theres an opportunity cost.

    Hayek and Hurricanes, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty
    I did not state that it was a wealth multiplier, only acknowledged that the monies spent on homes are locally spent in the areas of need. I'd prefer to pay anybody on a local level before paying Lockheed Martin, GE, Raytheon, or any other Military Offense profiteer.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Hurricanes damage coastal areas every year.
    I was more like... saying how often do hurricanes of such magnitude.
    But anyway. I can't pertain to be for or against any of these things. I guess hurricanes are a more... predictable natural disaster. I guess you can't have the same notions apply to all natural disasters.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I was more like... saying how often do hurricanes of such magnitude.
    But anyway. I can't pertain to be for or against any of these things. I guess hurricanes are a more... predictable natural disaster. I guess you can't have the same notions apply to all natural disasters.
    I think you can. Stuff happens. All the time.

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