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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Within families, family members are often allowed to say things that those outside the family are not. Within groups of friends, friends are allowed to say things that those outside the group are not. Within states, residents are allowed to say things that those outside the state are not. Within nations, citizens are allowed to say things that outside of the nation are not. Within racial groups, those within the group are allowed to say things that those outside of the group are not. That's just the way humanity works. We accept certain things from those within a group that we do not accept as easily from those outside of it usually because we aren't familiar with the character and intent of those outside our groups.

    The reason many black people don't like it when non-blacks (particularly whites) use the word is the same reason many Americans don't like it when non-Americans make fun of the United States or when friends don't like it when people outside of their group make fun of one of them and so on. It's pretty simple and easy to understand.
    Ah, the classic "if I have to explain it then you wouldn't understand it" argument. Clever indeed, but racist too. The same was said for using ebonics, yet we all know how silly that was. To be treated as equal you must accept it (good and bad), not say forever that "we" can do this but not "you". Get a grip and move on. Freedom of speach (or any other right) is not freedom at all if some may do so yet others may not. This sounds amazingly like the "separate but equal" nonsense the was said to be actual equality.
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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Ah, the classic "if I have to explain it then you wouldn't understand it" argument. Clever indeed, but racist too. The same was said for using ebonics, yet we all know how silly that was. To be treated as equal you must accept it (good and bad), not say forever that "we" can do this but not "you". Get a grip and move on. Freedom of speach (or any other right) is not freedom at all if some may do so yet others may not. This sounds amazingly like the "separate but equal" nonsense the was said to be actual equality.
    what he said makes perfect sense... saying the n-word isn't an issue of legality. It's not. It's about whether you give a damn or not about how other people feel

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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm a fan of Tarantino, and particulary enjoyed Pulp Fiction, which has the n-word about twenty times throughout, and deals with race.

    I have yet to see Django Unchained, but I plan on seeing it when it's released.

    Katt Williams says Tarantino has no business using the N-word.

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    Katt Williams On Quentin Tarantino: “I Checked With All Of N*ggadom, You Don’t Get A Pass”
    Katt Williams is probably pissed because Taratino doesn't want him in his movies.
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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Katt Williams is probably pissed because Taratino doesn't want him in his movies.
    lol could you imagine? Django Unchained starring Katt Williams?

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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Ah, the classic "if I have to explain it then you wouldn't understand it" argument. Clever indeed, but racist too. The same was said for using ebonics, yet we all know how silly that was. To be treated as equal you must accept it (good and bad), not say forever that "we" can do this but not "you". Get a grip and move on. Freedom of speach (or any other right) is not freedom at all if some may do so yet others may not. This sounds amazingly like the "separate but equal" nonsense the was said to be actual equality.
    You must have quoted the wrong post because what you quoted was me explaining it so that Superfly would understand it in terms of experiences that most of us share not making a "if I have to explain it..." argument. I don't really care about your opinions on 'ebonics' or whatever. I'm just pointing to reality that just like most of us say things within our families, friend groups and nations that we are uncomfortable with those outside of them saying, many of us say things within our races that we are uncomfortable with those outside of them saying. This is just the truth. I don't know how you think you can manage to argue against the truth. Good luck with that. /shrug

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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    what he said makes perfect sense... saying the n-word isn't an issue of legality. It's not. It's about whether you give a damn or not about how other people feel
    Yeah, I don't really know where he got anything out of my post that had something to do with freedom of speech. I'm talking about human relationships not the Constitution.

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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Do you know what racism is? Hint: It isn't not wanting white people to not use a word.
    I know well what racism is as well as what it is not. Barring black athletes from competiton was racism, and having black athletes outnumber white athletes now (in some sports) is not evidence of racism (nor is the same outcome in some other professions or academics dominated by whites/asians). The use of different standards (affirmative action) based on race is racism, as it assumes a difference that must be overcome by handicapping. We all readily (I hope) accept that some people or sports teams are better than other people or sports teams, yet we do not advocate employing handicapping in the rules, scoring or any other aspect of the competition, to assure that they have equal chances of winning (save for the draft system, at the pro sports team level, I suppose).
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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I know well what racism is as well as what it is not. Barring black athletes from competiton was racism, and having black athletes outnumber white athletes now (in some sports) is not evidence of racism (nor is the same outcome in some other professions or academics dominated by whites/asians). The use of different standards (affirmative action) based on race is racism, as it assumes a difference that must be overcome by handicapping. We all readily (I hope) accept that some people or sports teams are better than other people or sports teams, yet we do not advocate employing handicapping in the rules, scoring or any other aspect of the competition, to assure that they have equal chances of winning (save for the draft system, at the pro sports team level, I suppose).
    What does any of this have to with the fact that Katt Williams not wanting Tarantino to use "the n word" still isn't racism like you originally claimed?

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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    what he said makes perfect sense... saying the n-word isn't an issue of legality. It's not. It's about whether you give a damn or not about how other people feel
    If the "social penalty" was equal for the use of "whitey" or "cracker" by non-whites then I might agree, but clearly it is not. The seven words that you can't say on television are not different based on race, nor do many advocate that they should not be. If the use of a word is to be restricted/allowed based on race than that is racism, pure and simple. I agree that the context is important and any intent to cause harm must be considered moronic, but word use as a representaton (explanation?) of history or traditions is not an improper context. Pretending that things were once different (even while pointing out that they were wrong) does not change them, in fact it may help perpetuate them.
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    Re: Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the "social penalty" was equal for the use of "whitey" or "cracker" by non-whites then I might agree, but clearly it is not. The seven words that you can't say on television are not different based on race, nor do many advocate that they should not be. If the use of a word is to be restricted/allowed based on race than that is racism, pure and simple. I agree that the context is important and any intent to cause harm must be considered moronic, but word use as a representaton (explanation?) of history or traditions is not an improper context. Pretending that things were once different (even while pointing out that they were wrong) does not change them, in fact it may help perpetuate them.
    You're not being rational about this.

    1. There are definitely white people who feel more uncomfortable with blacks using "whitey" and "cracker" than they do white people. However, the reason such words do not have as much of a stigma attached to them is because the words do not have the same significant history and white people do not have as a history of being marginalized as blacks do. You might not like the reality that history affects how people perceive words, but it does and that history, not racism, is why people are more sensitive to "nigger" than "cracker."

    2. Racism is the treatment of races as inherently inferior or superior to one another. Being uncomfortable when one race uses a word that it has historically used in a negative manner is not racism. Only a fool would argue that it is.
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