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  • ADHD/ADD exists.

    13 52.00%
  • ADHD/ADD does not exist.

    3 12.00%
  • Only ppl with prescriptions should use medication.

    9 36.00%
  • Adderall should be legalized for all.

    5 20.00%
  • It's cheating for normal ppl to use drugs like Adderall.

    4 16.00%
  • It's not cheating for normal ppl to use drugs like Adderall.

    8 32.00%
  • ADHD/ADD shouldn't be treated with drugs.

    3 12.00%
  • ADHD/ADD is overly-diagnosed.

    15 60.00%
  • Adderall and other drugs like it aren't addicting.

    3 12.00%
  • ADHD/ADD meds are too expensive.

    4 16.00%
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Thread: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It doesn't look beneficial.
    you dont have to kid
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'm a 24-year-old student with ADHD. I was recently prescribed a prescription for Adderall (60 tablets po q day). One minute prior to writing this thread, I took my first pill.

    There are a few issues about this drug that I'd like to talk with you about. I want to know what you think of this medication, if it should be legalized for everyone, if "normal" people should abuse the drug for academic gain, etc. There are many things about my disorder and medication that I know, but I'd like to garner some good feedback on these issues regardless. If you would also read this article from Serendipity, I think it will give a more comprehensive perspective on what messages I'm meaning to share with you:

    Adderall: College Students' Best Friend-- Or Worst Enemy?? | Serendip Studio



    In accordance with DP's Fair Use rules I can't share more of the article.

    Wikipedia also shares an article on Adderall that I think is important to this discussion:

    Adderall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Basically Kristin Jenkins (the author) is arguing against those normal students who use this drug for academic gain. Genius, like power, is utterly seductive. She continues to argue her point of view while providing cited sources to back up her argument.

    To paraphrase some of the article, ADHD is a neurological and heritable disorder that can be passed on from parent to child. Scientists don't 100% know everything about the disorder, but they do know a lot about it. They know that ADHD affects the frontal cortex, and that that area of the brain deals with reasoning, planning, focusing, and problem solving. Dopamine, which is an important neurotransmitter dealing with that part of the brain, is deficient. Without "normal" amounts of this chemical, those executive functions suffer. This is why Adderall is prescribed; it helps to balance out these problems.

    There are a few arguments in a nutshell I'd like to go over with you on this drug, it's control, the disorder itself, and basic drug policy.

    1) Do you think ADHD/ADD exists?
    absolutely
    and from your posts, i am not the least bit surprised this has been prescribed for you
    i suspect it will allow you to process your thinking more linearly

    There are some out there that think my disorder is made-up, and that we simply need to "shape up" and try harder. To me that's both ignorant and offensive to those who actually suffer with the disorder. How would you feel if I told you your loved one suffering with bipolar disorder or depression was simply not trying hard enough and he/she simply had a made-up problem? You probably wouldn't like that. In truth ADHD/ADD is heritable. If two adults have ADHD/ADD, the chances of their children having the disorder increase. We're not faking; we exist.
    surprised anyone would actually challenge that the disorder exists. it's pretty easy as a layman to suspect those who have ADD/ADHD. also pretty easy to tell when they have begun their adderall regimen

    2) Do you think it's cheating if "normal" people using this Schedule II drugs are cheating? Personally I think they are, because it's a prescription drug not intended for people with already-normal levels of dopamine and other chemicals in their brains. I am particularly curious what libertarians think on this issue, and if it's simple a matter of "personal choice." Also, if normal students taking Adderall is cheating, what else is cheating? Does this include caffiene, supplements, and other chemical means of academic enhancement?
    cheating? no
    healthy? not likely. but then when i was a young adult i had to explore every desirable drug on the planet for myself. for some cohort, that led to a problem. but many of us just have to see for ourselves what the effects are
    3) As mentioned earlier in #2, do you think Adderall should be legalized for all to use? If you think either yes or no, why? Do you think policy should change on this?
    i think all drugs should be legal for anyone of age 21
    and we should rigidly enforce all stupidity that results from taking those drugs
    for those under age - and they are many - only by script
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    i hope your experience with adderall is a positive one long term
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    you dont have to kid
    Oh, I must. I must.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    ADHD exists for sure, question is what to do about it. There are many medications and techniques that can be used that aren't determined by corporate pharmacies, American pharmacies never focus on real health but on how to make their profits. Adderall should be available for patients, but shouldn't be the only way out.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Of course ADD w/H exists, I am the one to know..
    O'er 70 years of this, mostly un diagnosed..
    No "meds" now, but I can be difficult...
    Our nation needs an education plus
    and fewer conservatives
    and less pills
    and more tolerance.
    We also need work on responsibility...
    Neither drugs nor guns are a joke as some treat them.
    "Recreational" - my arse !
    There is no such thing, drugs are as dangerous as guns.

    Complicity comes to mind here, those who just leave their prescription drugs laying about are just this, a one year stretch in a mental hospital might improve their attitude.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't see a change.
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    Maybe it's just kickin' in. Let's wait a minute and see.
    I lol'd on this series of posts dude. Kudos. Even up here you can get him.
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    I was "diagnosed" with ADHD when I was a kid. I was about 11. IMO, my parents took me to a psychiatrist because they sucked and didn't have the parental discipline to consistently hold me to a standard. I think they wanted the psychiatrist to have some sort of golden ticket to making me the kid they wished I was but didn't want to put the work in to have. They tried to put me on meds. I didn't take them. Sure, I notice that I have issues concentrating. Guess what? I rely on God and personal discipline to push through that and get the job done. I am self aware enough to notice when I am attempting to multi-task but getting nothing done. I simply stop, reorganize, and keep going. IMO, people who rely on meds to fix their brain are taking the easy way out. Sure, there are extreme cases. I don't think ADHD is one of them. TBI is an issue that may need meds. Guess what, I have both. No meds. I think most people need to cowboy up and stop looking for some sort of magic solution to their lack of drive, self-discipline, and self-awareness. Just because a person doesn't want to study or work, doesn't mean they need meds. It may mean they need a solid size 10 up their butt.
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    While I can agree with the fact that students are looking for the next best tool to survive the pressures of college...

    ...Adderall is nowehere near a few ups of caffienated coffee and such. If ADHD/ADD could be fixed on coffee alone, they'd be prescribed caffiene. Adderall is dangerous for normal people who don't need it.



    It's overdiagnosed, but it's not BS in the slightest. It's a genetic and neurological disorder that can be inherited via adults with it. My views is that it's cheating if normal peopel take it, but "leveling the playing field" when people with the damaged mind (ADD/ADHD) take it to be normal and receive a better quality lifestyle. Imagine being highly intelligent, but not being able to focus and remember, thus not being able to really retain and use information. That, and Adderall ALSO treats the social and other behavioral issues of the disorder, like anxiety and innatentiveness. There are also side-effects, like loss of creativity, cold fingers, nausea, and major lack of appetite (all of which I'm feeling right now).

    I don't have OCD, and I don't understand it really at all... Sounds like it's a different sort of struggle.

    Dosage is definitely key, so it's typical medical practice to start patients off on lower doses and slowly increase it, considering the patient's blood pressure, reactions, side effects, improved quality of life, etc. It's sensitive data, but my doctor yesterday put me on a low-sodium diet plan to counteract that BP-increasing effects of the medication. My BP was 160/90, so if I keep eating bad foods and not doing much to lower my BP, I could face stroke, heart attack, and other cardiovascular problems. Every week I need to check my BP twice and jot it down on a chart my doctor gave me. I've got a month, and if I can't get it at or below 120/60(?), I'll have to stop taking it and take beta-blockers to bet my BP under control. Dosage and observace is key.
    I don't think anyone should take an addictive drug and risk addiction. I know persons that crank up with Meth don't sleep for days and sometimes even get something done. Then they crash for a day or so. I'm not even sure it should be prescribed for ADD or ADHD. Just an opinion.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I was "diagnosed" with ADHD when I was a kid. I was about 11. IMO, my parents took me to a psychiatrist because they sucked and didn't have the parental discipline to consistently hold me to a standard. I think they wanted the psychiatrist to have some sort of golden ticket to making me the kid they wished I was but didn't want to put the work in to have. They tried to put me on meds. I didn't take them. Sure, I notice that I have issues concentrating. Guess what? I rely on God and personal discipline to push through that and get the job done. I am self aware enough to notice when I am attempting to multi-task but getting nothing done. I simply stop, reorganize, and keep going. IMO, people who rely on meds to fix their brain are taking the easy way out. Sure, there are extreme cases. I don't think ADHD is one of them. TBI is an issue that may need meds. Guess what, I have both. No meds. I think most people need to cowboy up and stop looking for some sort of magic solution to their lack of drive, self-discipline, and self-awareness. Just because a person doesn't want to study or work, doesn't mean they need meds. It may mean they need a solid size 10 up their butt.
    This just perpetuates the stigma of mental illness/disorders/disabilities. I went through a deep depression several years ago that I pulled myself out of without ever seeing a therapist or going on medication. With that, I'm a lot like you in that I only needed myself to work on my mental health. However, just because I was able to do that doesn't mean that other people are "taking the easy way out" when they take medication. It's entirely possible that their brains are just different and that "God and self-discipline" are not enough for them. It's entirely possible and, in fact, probable that the brain is capable of being damaged beyond human control in the same way every other organ is.

    You've really taken an incredibly ignorant position that seems like its only purpose is to help you elevate yourself above people who you think are weaker and less virtuous than you. Not a good look.

    "Cowboy up." Give me a break.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This just perpetuates the stigma of mental illness/disorders/disabilities. I went through a deep depression several years ago that I pulled myself out of without ever seeing a therapist or going on medication. With that, I'm a lot like you in that I only needed myself to work on my mental health. However, just because I was able to do that doesn't mean that other people are "taking the easy way out" when they take medication. It's entirely possible that their brains are just different and that "God and self-discipline" are not enough for them. It's entirely possible and, in fact, probable that the brain is capable of being damaged beyond human control in the same way every other organ is.

    You've really taken an incredibly ignorant position that seems like its only purpose is to help you elevate yourself above people who you think are weaker and less virtuous than you. Not a good look.

    "Cowboy up." Give me a break.
    You know what, I should elevate myself. I'm diagnosed with ADHD and have TBI from multiple exposures to explosions and I take zero medication for it. I'm proud of that. Having said that, my post's purpose was definitely not intended to do that. I identify with the topic because I've been personally affected by it and shared a brief synopsis of how I handled it. If you took it as me simply bloviating about myself, that is your personal interpretation. That wasn't the intent.
    Now, on to the subject at hand. I'm with you on the brain being able to be damaged beyond human control. I said in my post that there are some things that need medication to be treated. I just don't personally believe that ADHD or ADD are one of them. TBI is something that MAY need meds. However, I've seen some guys that have it and don't take meds. I will cede that there are much more severe mental conditions that require sometimes heavy meds. However, the OP is speaking of ADHD which is what I was addressing.
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