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    re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Aside from academic issues it seems that ADHD/ADD, like many treatable mental conditions, are over diagnosed simply to secure the treatment fees and the associated profit. This is not limitted to only medical/mental health professionals but pubic schools as well - the public school gets extra federal fundung for each such "special needs" student from the federal gov't.

    With recent talk of adding those with mental/behavioral "problems" to the NICS (national "criminal" database) used for gun rights determination, extreme caution should be exercised in getting such a diagnosis. While it may help those in their early years it may have lasting repercussions later in life as well.

    I am of mixed feelings when it comes to mental/behavioral issues; while many may be correctly diagnosed and successfully treated, it seems that many (more?) are simply given "happy pills" to reduce the burden of many natural tendencies of some to be more unruley than "normal". After all, if it an illness then no personal blame/responsibility can be assumed for adding to or not properly dealing with that condidtion/deficiency.
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    re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    I knew people in college who would crush and snort the drug. To each their own I guess.

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    re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Aside from academic issues it seems that ADHD/ADD, like many treatable mental conditions are over diagnosed simply to secure the treatment fees and associted profit. This is not limitted to only medical.mental health professionals but pubic schools as well - the public school gets extra federal fundung for each such "special needs" student from the federal gov't.

    With recent talk of adding those with mental/behavioral "problems" to the NICS (national "criminal" database) used for gun rights determination, extreme caution should be exercised in getting such a diagnosis. While it may help those in their early years it may have lasting repercussions later in life as well.

    I am of mixed feelings when it comes to mental/behavioral issues; while many may be correctly diagnosed and successfully treated, it seems that many (more?) are simply given "happy pills" to reduce the burden of many natural tendencies of some to be more unruley than "normal". After all, if it an illness then no personal blame/responsibility can be assumed for adding to or not properly dealing with that condidtion/deficiency.
    I really appreciate your input.

    Being a bit biased on the issue, I'm not really sure exactly how overdiagnosed our children are. It's probably true that there are those hyper-yet-normal children who've been diagnosed with something they don't have. There is criteria, though, from impulsivity and innatentiveness, to hyper-activity and the ability to hyper-focus. Also people with ADD/ADHD are typically of-above-average intelligence and are very creative, but they can't really focus or remember, and get bored very quickly of things they hate, like dieting, chores, studies 9unless interesting), etc. When I think of ADD, it's less of an Attention Deficit Disorder and more of an Attention Displacement Disorder.

    WOAH. Is the NICS actually considering blocking people with ADD/ADHD from owning/using firearms? If so, that's lame and I'm 100% against it.

    One thing that can be discerned when it comes to normal and ADD/ADHD people taking Adderal is that...

    ...if a normal person takes it, they already have normal levels of dopamine and other chemicals in their system. I've read that if they take Adderall, they'll start feeling a LOT more hyper and anxious. However, if a person with ADD/ADHD takes it, they're already dealing with the constant unwanted thoughts and unwanted behavior, and for some reason the drug with actually calm the person, allowing those unwanted thought to stop blocking the mind. The "filter" that allows normal people to block out normals thoughts and focus on one thign is "broken," making it so the sufferer is often over-stimulated, stressed, overwhelmed, anxious, and innatentive... the person also has a tendency to be impatient and rambles a lot.
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    i'm not extraordinarily concerned with what other people put in their bodies. when i was in college, it was high doses of caffeine via jolt and Ale 81. now it's adderall.

    i've not read anything convincing that points to AHDH being total BS. it's overdiagnosed, though, and i worry about putting any mind-altering chemicals in the brains of little kids, because the brain is wiring itself at that point. college kids are at least technically adults, and can make their own decisions.

    is it "cheating?" who knows. i never used it, but i was pretty good at using fear as a motivator to make me stick to my studies. if i had lost my academic scholarship, i might have had to go to another school, because my parents would have sold themselves into the poorhouse trying to help me out otherwise. plus, i guess i am just kind of naturally good at taking tests. is my genetic makeup "cheating?" in a broader sense, maybe.

    i have trouble throwing stones, also. i have OCD, and there's a significant social anxiety aspect which has sometimes prevented me from thriving in social situations. i'm also a musician, and the chances of me getting onstage without the help of alcohol back in the day are pretty slim. in some sense, that could be classified as a performance enhancing drug for recluses like me.

    as for OTC adderall, there would have to be significant studies done before i'd sign off on it. if i had a kid, i'd advise him or her to be very careful with it. and as with any chemical, dosage is key.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I really appreciate your input.

    Being a bit biased on the issue, I'm not really sure exactly how overdiagnosed our children are. It's probably true that there are those hyper-yet-normal children who've been diagnosed with something they don't have. There is criteria, though, from impulsivity and innatentiveness, to hyper-activity and the ability to hyper-focus. Also people with ADD/ADHD are typically of-above-average intelligence and are very creative, but they can't really focus or remember, and get bored very quickly of things they hate, like dieting, chores, studies 9unless interesting), etc. When I think of ADD, it's less of an Attention Deficit Disorder and more of an Attention Displacement Disorder.

    WOAH. Is the NICS actually considering blocking people with ADD/ADHD from owning/using firearms? If so, that's lame and I'm 100% against it.

    One thing that can be discerned when it comes to normal and ADD/ADHD people taking Adderal is that...

    ...if a normal person takes it, they already have normal levels of dopamine and other chemicals in their system. I've ready that if they take Adderall, they'll start feeling a LOT more hyper and anxious. However, if a person with ADD/ADHD takes it, they're already dealing with the constant unwanted thoughts and unwanted behavior, and for some reason the drug with actually calm the person, allowing those unwanted thought to stop blocking the mind. The "filter" that allows normal people to block out normals thoughts and focus on one thign is "broken," making it so the sufferer is often over-stimulated, stressed, overwhelmed, anxious, and innatentive... the person also has a tendency to be impatient and rambles a lot.
    NICS is simply a database, how it is used is up the applicable statutes, one of which is the federal Brady Act that now simply requires felony convictions, certifcation of mental disability and domestic abuse "charges"/restraining orders to restrict legal gun purchases/ownership. There is talk of expanding the mental/behvioral "connditions" to get one placed in the "no gun" category, especially after the infamous VA tech campus shooting, and with even more recent "hyperactivity" based on the CT school shooting. I have not seen ADHD/ADD included in this frenzy of discussion yet, but would not count it out; after all, there a lot of folks out there, with this condidtion, and one of them is bound to do something bad, with a gun, eventually.
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I knew people in college who would crush and snort the drug. To each their own I guess.
    That is VERY dangerous. The pharmacy instructions that come with the pills state you should never do that. Iirc, the sinus cavities are delicate, so if you crush up the valeric acid in Adderall XR pills (I think?), the acid could eat their way through the cavities and cause immense damage and even death. That's why with Adderall XR you should eith swallow the pill or open the capsules and release the little spheres of medicine into somethinglike applesauce. NEVER crush 'em up and snort.

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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That is VERY dangerous. The pharmacy instructions that come with the pills state you should never do that. Iirc, the sinus cavities are delicate, so if you crush up the valeric acid in Adderall XR pills (I think?), the acid could eat their way through the cavities and cause immense damage and even death. That's why with Adderall XR you should eith swallow the pill or open the capsules and release the little spheres of medicine into somethinglike applesauce. NEVER crush 'em up and snort.
    Didn't say I did it BTW. Just pointing out that people do use it for things other than its purpose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm not extraordinarily concerned with what other people put in their bodies. when i was in college, it was high doses of caffeine via jolt and Ale 81. now it's adderall.
    While I can agree with the fact that students are looking for the next best tool to survive the pressures of college...

    ...Adderall is nowehere near a few ups of caffienated coffee and such. If ADHD/ADD could be fixed on coffee alone, they'd be prescribed caffiene. Adderall is dangerous for normal people who don't need it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i've not read anything convincing that points to AHDH being total BS. it's overdiagnosed, though, and i worry about putting any mind-altering chemicals in the brains of little kids, because the brain is wiring itself at that point. college kids are at least technically adults, and can make their own decisions.

    is it "cheating?" who knows. i never used it, but i was pretty good at using fear as a motivator to make me stick to my studies. if i had lost my academic scholarship, i might have had to go to another school, because my parents would have sold themselves into the poorhouse trying to help me out otherwise. plus, i guess i am just kind of naturally good at taking tests. is my genetic makeup "cheating?" in a broader sense, maybe.

    i have trouble throwing stones, also. i have OCD, and there's a significant social anxiety aspect which has sometimes prevented me from thriving in social situations. i'm also a musician, and the chances of me getting onstage without the help of alcohol back in the day are pretty slim. in some sense, that could be classified as a performance enhancing drug for recluses like me.

    as for OTC adderall, there would have to be significant studies done before i'd sign off on it. if i had a kid, i'd advise him or her to be very careful with it. and as with any chemical, dosage is key.
    It's overdiagnosed, but it's not BS in the slightest. It's a genetic and neurological disorder that can be inherited via adults with it. My views is that it's cheating if normal peopel take it, but "leveling the playing field" when people with the damaged mind (ADD/ADHD) take it to be normal and receive a better quality lifestyle. Imagine being highly intelligent, but not being able to focus and remember, thus not being able to really retain and use information. That, and Adderall ALSO treats the social and other behavioral issues of the disorder, like anxiety and innatentiveness. There are also side-effects, like loss of creativity, cold fingers, nausea, and major lack of appetite (all of which I'm feeling right now).

    I don't have OCD, and I don't understand it really at all... Sounds like it's a different sort of struggle.

    Dosage is definitely key, so it's typical medical practice to start patients off on lower doses and slowly increase it, considering the patient's blood pressure, reactions, side effects, improved quality of life, etc. It's sensitive data, but my doctor yesterday put me on a low-sodium diet plan to counteract that BP-increasing effects of the medication. My BP was 160/90, so if I keep eating bad foods and not doing much to lower my BP, I could face stroke, heart attack, and other cardiovascular problems. Every week I need to check my BP twice and jot it down on a chart my doctor gave me. I've got a month, and if I can't get it at or below 120/60(?), I'll have to stop taking it and take beta-blockers to bet my BP under control. Dosage and observace is key.
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    Re: Adderall: ADHD, Cheating, and Legalization [W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    While I can agree with the fact that students are looking for the next best tool to survive the pressures of college...

    ...Adderall is nowehere near a few ups of caffienated coffee and such. If ADHD/ADD could be fixed on coffee alone, they'd be prescribed caffiene. Adderall is dangerous for normal people who don't need it.



    It's overdiagnosed, but it's not BS in the slightest. It's a genetic and neurological disorder that can be inherited via adults with it. My views is that it's cheating if normal peopel take it, but "leveling the playing field" when people with the damaged mind (ADD/ADHD) take it to be normal and receive a better quality lifestyle. Imagine being highly intelligent, but not being able to focus and remember, thus not being able to really retain and use information. That, and Adderall ALSO treats the social and other behavioral issues of the disorder, like anxiety and innatentiveness. There are also side-effects, like loss of creativity, cold fingers, nausea, and major lack of appetite (all of which I'm feeling right now).

    I don't have OCD, and I don't understand it really at all... Sounds like it's a different sort of struggle.

    Dosage is definitely key, so it's typical medical practice to start patients off on lower doses and slowly increase it, considering the patient's blood pressure, reactions, side effects, improved quality of life, etc. It's sensitive data, but my doctor yesterday put me on a low-sodium diet plan to counteract that BP-increasing effects of the medication. My BP was 160/90, so if I keep eating bad foods and not doing much to lower my BP, I could face stroke, heart attack, and other cardiovascular problems. Every week I need to check my BP twice and jot it down on a chart my doctor gave me. I've got a month, and if I can't get it at or below 120/60(?), I'll have to stop taking it and take beta-blockers to bet my BP under control. Dosage and observace is key.
    i don't have any direct experience with it. i was on a couple different meds for OCD, though, and i experienced some of the same side effects. some wore off quickly; others left me feeling foggy brained and not as creative. there were other side effects that i didn't like, also. i ditched the pills and decided to think my way around it. i might eventually try something else, but i do pretty well with behavioral strategies.

    anyway, good luck with your treatment. hope that it works well for you.

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