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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    They made us say the Pledge up to the 6th grade and you know what, I might as well have been reciting the recipe for a cake mix for all it mattered too me. I didn't understand it and I didn't care, it was meaningless, boring gibberish. Now tell me where to get candy and I was all ears.
    This is true of too many. Makes me wonder why we want it recited.

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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Same. Never knew what it meant, just that we were required to say it.
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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is true of too many. Makes me wonder why we want it recited.
    We sung "My Country 'Tis Of Thee", America The Beautiful, The National Anthem" and though I remember some of it I didn't care or know what it meant back then. They made me go to church, which was like trying to teach a kid about calculus, simply too mature and complicated in subject matter for a gooney kid. I'd fall asleep 99% of the time.

    It didn't brainwash or indoctrinate me it mostly made me think grownups were a little nutty. All I ever wanted to do was play and eat sweets.
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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

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    Are we now assuming that our constitutional rights were/are meant to be meted out with absolutely no limitations? Bwahahahahahaha......... You guys with your Utopian views of the world just crack me up sometimes.

    project much?

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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

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    project much?
    Not really.....no. I tend to look at myself as more of a realist when dealing with such issues.
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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    When I was younger, it never meant much to me, but now it means a lot to me, because I understand all the sacrifice our nation's people has gone through Call me a patriot, but I pledge my allegiance to show my patriotism and respect for our great country, no matter how bad people say it is. Like my math teacher said, "It's your own decision, but I stand up and pledge my allegiance for every single soldier serving our country." If you are an American citizen, you should have no problem pledging your allegiance to this country, as for "under God" it doesn't really bother me, say "under sky" if you're really that butthurt about it.

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    The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Reflexively repeating a slogan without thinking based on childhood indoctrination is the kind of "patriotism" that breeds authoritarians. True patriotism comes not from being coerced or brainwashed into saying you love your country, but choosing it of your own free will. Children should learn to like America because our nation proves itself worthy, not because it is demanded in the classroom.
    Must be why we Catholics like such things? I know American Protestants have a much more democratic spirit than Catholics may, but I find such things useful. It states the creed, unifies people with a common identity and purpose, thus fulfilling one of the main goals of public education. It's rather benevolent, but intellectually it has consequences, especially from the minds of mass democrats.
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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Must be why we Catholics like such things? I know American Protestants have a much more democratic spirit than Catholics may, but I find such things useful. It states the creed, unifies people with a common identity and purpose, thus fulfilling one of the main goals of public education. It's rather benevolent, but intellectually it has consequences, especially from the minds of mass democrats.
    Well at least, shouldn't the teachers explain what we are saying? I mean, it seems to be a common thread here that many of us said it, but had no idea what we are saying. Honestly, when I was a child, I just said it. Didn't have a clue what I was saying, but I said it all the same. As we got older, we didn't have to say it anymore. I still remember it, and one day the kids were mentioning it, and I recited it for them, and it hit me what I was actually saying. It kind of hit me, "Holy smokes, this is kind of like indoctrination, and we had no idea."
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    The Pledge of Allegiance

    Many do explain what it means-it just doesn't mean all do or really that the student may necessarily remember. If a student doesn't remember much of the outer context, that is okay as well. It still serves a unification purpose even if much of it is not given to the students. They gain the sense that we are in the US, we are believe in a unified set of principles, even if I do not know what those quite are and how they work yet. It also serves a useful pedagogical tool to unify the class, break them out of their chatter or morning sleepiness.

    I know indoctrination is a naughty word, but it isn't all bad. We do it all the time through social custom. In political terms, we currently beat people senseless with the notion that democracy, almost wherever and whenever it can be employed, is a virtue. This is just another benevolent form of it such indoctrination.
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    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    It shouldn't be forced, considering that foreign children go to public schools, and certain religions (Jehovah's Witnesses) forbid swearing allegiance to a country. People should come to patriotism on their own.
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