View Poll Results: Should kids be required to recite The Pledge of Allegiance?

Voters
48. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    14 29.17%
  • No

    34 70.83%
Page 4 of 7 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 62

Thread: The Pledge of Allegiance

  1. #31
    All Warm and Fuzzy
    FluffyNinja's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Miss-uh-Sippie
    Last Seen
    10-21-17 @ 04:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    4,831

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yes, if freedom and liberty mean nothing anymore.

    No, if freedom and liberty still mean something.

    American principles cannot be forced onto people or they are not American principles. But thanx folks for showing your true colors sieg heil! to all of you idiots that failed history class...

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No one should be required to recite anything. Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, because you know that whole freedom of speech thing.
    Are we now assuming that our constitutional rights were/are meant to be meted out with absolutely no limitations? Bwahahahahahaha......... You guys with your Utopian views of the world just crack me up sometimes.
    Last edited by FluffyNinja; 12-29-12 at 10:05 PM.
    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Dr. Carl Sagan

  2. #32
    Global Moderator
    Rage More!
    Your Star's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    26,362

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Are we now assumimg that our constitutional rights were/are meant to be meted out with absolutely no limitations? Bwahahahahahaha......... You guys with your Utopian views of the world just crack me up sometimes.
    If your going to make some point just make it, and don't beat around the bush.
    Eat me, drink me, love me;
    Laura make much of me

  3. #33
    All Warm and Fuzzy
    FluffyNinja's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Miss-uh-Sippie
    Last Seen
    10-21-17 @ 04:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    4,831

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If your going to make some point just make it, and don't beat around the bush.
    Point is simply this....Freedom of Speech (and of expression) is not a "be all, end all" concept......it has been and IS routinely limited LEGALLY in many, many cases in this country for obvious reasons...........public schools being one such institution which, for logical reasons......"gets away with" limiting free speech, and thus, free expression.

    Historically speaking, state courts as well as SCOTUS, typically supports the decisions of the Public Schools regarding "free speech" and "free expression" policies. Go check the legal record for yourself.
    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Dr. Carl Sagan

  4. #34
    Global Moderator
    Rage More!
    Your Star's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    26,362

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Point is simply this....Freedom of Speech (and of expression) is not a "be all, end all" concept......it has been and IS routinely limited LEGALLY in many, many cases in this country for obvious reasons...........public schools being one such institution which, for logical reasons......"gets away with" limiting free speech, and thus, free expression.

    Historically speaking, state courts as well as SCOTUS, typically supports the decisions of the Public Schools regarding "free speech" and "free expression" policies. Go check the legal record for yourself.
    Only in cases where it disrupts school activity, not forcing everyone to say the Pledge does not disrupt school activity.
    Eat me, drink me, love me;
    Laura make much of me

  5. #35
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Should kids be required to recite The Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
    I would prefer they know what the words mean instead of mindless recitation.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  6. #36
    All Warm and Fuzzy
    FluffyNinja's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Miss-uh-Sippie
    Last Seen
    10-21-17 @ 04:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    4,831

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Only in cases where it disrupts school activity, not forcing everyone to say the Pledge does not disrupt school activity.
    Really? Perhaps you should look into this issue a bit deeper. The amount of legal "leniency" given to the public schools by state courts as well as SCOTUS might surprise you. And please, don't insult my intelligence by going back and quoting any of the Justices from the "Tinker vs. DesMoines" case...........we all know that times (and the makeup of the court) have changed quite a bit since the uproarious 60's and there have been many challenges to school policies since that time which have been shot down by the courts.
    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Dr. Carl Sagan

  7. #37
    Haters gon' hate
    MarineTpartier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    01-04-16 @ 04:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,586
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Absolutely in early formative years. There needs to be an awareness and foundation for having loyalty to your homeland and we should expect that from every child.

    I can remember saying it up until 5th grade. I don't recall ever saying it before class in high school. I'm fine with the way I did it growing up. Were any of you scarred as a youth by it? Unable to break free from the brainwashing of your youth? I think not. You all are overselling this "blind patriotism" crap.
    Totally concur bro. I did the same. We never said it after 5th grade. If we stop doing this, the Pledge will go the way of the National Anthem. These are all good things that kids should be taught. It's not about "blind patriatism". Its about being totally aware of the patriotism we should all have. In this age of easy information, I think we are all becoming jaded by the news cycle that portrays our country as so horrible that a lot of us aren't as proud of it as we should be.
    Survey: Americans Forget National Anthem - ABC News
    “Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
    Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

  8. #38
    Haters gon' hate
    MarineTpartier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    01-04-16 @ 04:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,586
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would prefer they know what the words mean instead of mindless recitation.
    This as well.
    “Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
    Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

  9. #39
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,179

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Should kids be required to recite The Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

    Encouraged? Yes.

    Required? No. No one should be required to pledge anything that is not done freely and voluntarily. That's known as "duress", and an oath made under duress is legally worthless.

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  10. #40
    Light△Bender

    grip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    ☚ ☛
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 02:42 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,224
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: The Pledge of Allegiance

    They made us say the Pledge up to the 6th grade and you know what, I might as well have been reciting the recipe for a cake mix for all it mattered too me. I didn't understand it and I didn't care, it was meaningless, boring gibberish. Now tell me where to get candy and I was all ears.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Page 4 of 7 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •