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How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

How many here belong to a union?

  • Total voters
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ChrisL said:
Well, I'm not familiar with all the legal speak, but I will just say that there are a-holes everywhere. We are surrounded by them. That is not exclusive to union members or management.
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ever see the movie FAME (Irene Cara being the most memorable actress)

RIchard Belzer (Law and Order SVU-former house comedian at Studio 54) had a small role as himself-a stand up comedian

he comes out on stage and says

I am a professional asshole

some boos-

and he says-I see we have a few amateurs out there too!
 
TurtleDude said:
ever see the movie FAME (Irene Cara being the most memorable actress)

RIchard Belzer (Law and Order SVU-former house comedian at Studio 54) had a small role as himself-a stand up comedian

he comes out on stage and says

I am a professional asshole

some boos-

and he says-I see we have a few amateurs out there too!
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:lamo Clever!
 
TurtleDude said:
that might be true but unions were not what made the USA great. that happened before Unions really mattered
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I agree and youre correct...unions did not make america great...working class america did that..unions came to be because the workers that made america great were being worked like dogs in unsafe conditions underpaid and abused while their employers got richer and richer and just took more from them...like they are trying to get back to today..
 
lpast said:
I agree and youre correct...unions did not make america great...working class america did that..unions came to be because the workers that made america great were being worked like dogs in unsafe conditions underpaid and abused while their employers got richer and richer and just took more from them...like they are trying to get back to today..
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tell me why so many of those who claim to represent the working man are as rich or richer than management?
 
TurtleDude said:
tell me why so many of those who claim to represent the working man are as rich or richer than management?
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You would have to show me that in hard facts and also demonstrate exactly who youre talking about...are you saying Union Presidents are richer than low level managers, or the Ceos of the company.
 
lpast said:
You would have to show me that in hard facts and also demonstrate exactly who youre talking about...are you saying Union Presidents are richer than low level managers, or the Ceos of the company.
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nah people like Metzenbaum (deceased) the Kennedys (mostly deceased) and others who got wealth through being elected to office based on the votes of the unions and "working people"
 
TurtleDude said:
nah people like Metzenbaum (deceased) the Kennedys (mostly deceased) and others who got wealth through being elected to office based on the votes of the unions and "working people"
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We still have Patrick, that drug-addled joker. :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
nah people like Metzenbaum (deceased) the Kennedys (mostly deceased) and others who got wealth through being elected to office based on the votes of the unions and "working people"
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WHAT? the kennedys got rich bootleggin before they were politicians...JFK was a wounded ww2 decorated veteran...he was elected by the AMERICAN PEOPLE by a freakin landslide turtle...to even insinuate unions elected him is absurd. All presidents once elected make the same pay. Democrat or Republican
Know what your real problem is turtle...you seem to be pissed off your in the minority...you seem to feel oppressed because youre in the two percent of the richest americans...and you cant be one of the majority...you can fix that my man..give all you got to the spca and Ill bring you to a few very cozy homeless box and can cities within the city where you can live your life unencumbered. :)
 
lpast said:
WHAT? the kennedys got rich bootleggin before they were politicians...JFK was a wounded ww2 decorated veteran...he was elected by the AMERICAN PEOPLE by a freakin landslide turtle...to even insinuate unions elected him is absurd. All presidents once elected make the same pay. Democrat or Republican
Know what your real problem is turtle...you seem to be pissed off your in the minority...you seem to feel oppressed because youre in the two percent of the richest americans...and you cant be one of the majority...you can fix that my man..give all you got to the spca and Ill bring you to a few very cozy homeless box and can cities within the city where you can live your life unencumbered. :)
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non responsive. how did the kennedy's get the power to bootleg?
 
TurtleDude said:
non responsive. how did the kennedy's get the power to bootleg?
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let me guess...Unions did it...those fricken lousy working class rum running pirate lowlife scummers...lol
 
Kal'Stang said:
They can represent themselves. There are more ways than just Union Bosses that the common person has for representation.
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If I knew nothing of American history, you might be able to convince me of that.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have a degree in labor relations and law. I have practiced labor law for close to 30 years

I suspect that is far more experience than being a left wing propagandist
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More lame ass opinions without anything whatsoever to back them up. You have not convinced me by your posting on the forum here that you even graduated college.
 
ChrisL said:
Unions are not "in control." No one HAS to join a union. Just like in a RTW state, no one is forced NOT to join a union. That argument is just kind of stupid, and I am not using it.
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If a person wishes to work in thier chosen profession and cannot afford to move, yes, they are forced to join a union in non-right to work states.
 
ChrisL said:
No, you're wrong. I did not lump all employers in the same category anywhere in this thread.
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You've used the same wording that I have addressing employers as I do when addressing unions. Ex: you: "Employers do X" me: "Unions do X".
 
ChrisL said:
If I'm not mistaken, that is not allowed. Anyone has can opt out of being a union member. I think there was a court case about that. I'll have to look for that later.
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ChrisL said:
Okay, this is regarding public sector unions.

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A public-sector union’s requirement that nonmembers opt out of paying a special fee for the purpose of financing the union’s political and ideological activities violated the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on June 21, 2012, (Knox v. SEIU, No. 10-1121).

Writing for the majority, Justice Samuel Alito noted that, “Public-sector unions have the right under the First Amendment to express their views on political and social issues without government interference. But employees who choose not to join a union have the same rights.”

Therefore, he continued, when a public-sector union imposes a special assessment or dues increase, it “may not exact any funds from nonmembers without their affirmative consent.” Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia Jr., Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas joined in the opinion, while Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg concurred in the judgment but filed a separate concurring opinion. Justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan dissented from the ruling.
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Your link and what you said are talking about two different things. You say that people can opt out of being in the public secter union but your link is not talking about that. It is talking about opting out of having thier money used for political campaigns. Not opting out of being in a union.
 
TurtleDude said:
the industrial revolution in the USA-Eli Whitney etc was pre-Union

Unions did not build our shipping industry

nor the transcontinental railroad

and yes we are even though the left is doing its best to ruin our position
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In what category is America leading the world?

International rankings of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Would you be able to compare our declining world rankings in categories like education, health care, life expectancy with our declining union membership. What really fuels our economy is it the failed policies of Reagan and trickle down economics, what will happen as earnings continue their downward spiral?
 
Rocketman said:
I have had two union jobs in the past (early 80's) but after seeing what each stood for I secured positions where my performance as an individual could be graded and rewarded.
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Your poll is lacking a tad. I've never been a unionized worker, but I wouldn't be totally opposed to joining one IF certain criteria was met.

My father was a member of Teamsters for 35+ years and while there were times they'd piss him off by their actions, there were other times he was glad he was a member.
 
Catawba said:
More lame ass opinions without anything whatsoever to back them up. You have not convinced me by your posting on the forum here that you even graduated college.
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LOL, you don't even believe the stuff you post
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Your poll is lacking a tad. I've never been a unionized worker, but I wouldn't be totally opposed to joining one IF certain criteria was met.

My father was a member of Teamsters for 35+ years and while there were times they'd piss him off by their actions, there were other times he was glad he was a member.
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so what did happen to Jimmy Hoffa?:mrgreen:


some unions serve useful purposes for the company as well as the workers

some are nothing more than parasites such as AFSCME, SEIU and the teachers unions
 
Kal'Stang said:
Your link and what you said are talking about two different things. You say that people can opt out of being in the public secter union but your link is not talking about that. It is talking about opting out of having thier money used for political campaigns. Not opting out of being in a union.
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I guess you must have skimmed over this part.

Writing for the majority, Justice Samuel Alito noted that, “Public-sector unions have the right under the First Amendment to express their views on political and social issues without government interference. But employees who choose not to join a union have the same rights.”
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ChrisL said:
I guess you must have skimmed over this part.
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the issue is that for many public sector unions, there is no choice about being in the union. either you join the union or you don't get hired. when i was teaching public school i was forced to join not one but 3 unions and pay 3 separate and outrageous dues if i wanted to keep my job.

the local teacher's union for the system where i taught
the alabama education association
the national education association

there was no "opting out" of being in the union unless you wanted to opt out of teaching in the public school system.

before I transferred from the national guard into the army reserves, I was basically forced to join the guard's Officer Association (read union). membership was not mandatory but any officer failing to "voluntarily" join and pay his/her dues received a "needs improvement" rating under "decision making' and "judgement" on their next officer eval.
 
OscarB63 said:
the issue is that for many public sector unions, there is no choice about being in the union. either you join the union or you don't get hired. when i was teaching public school i was forced to join not one but 3 unions and pay 3 separate and outrageous dues if i wanted to keep my job.

the local teacher's union for the system where i taught
the alabama education association
the national education association

there was no "opting out" of being in the union unless you wanted to opt out of teaching in the public school system.

before I transferred from the national guard into the army reserves, I was basically forced to join the guard's Officer Association (read union). membership was not mandatory but any officer failing to "voluntarily" join and pay his/her dues received a "needs improvement" rating under "decision making' and "judgement" on their next officer eval.
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I believe you, and as I stated earlier, there are SOME unions that have gone off the deep end, but this certainly doesn't apply to EVERY union. There are still plenty of good unions out there that do care about their members.
 
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