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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It just depends. My brother started out making a little better than that at a factory about 15 years or so ago, but he is not making that much more than that after 15 years (I think he is around $28/hour) but newbies at his factory now start off at I think @ $13-$14/hour because the unions had to give up the great old pay scale for the newbies in order to keep the older scale workers from giving back wages and benefits. The newbies also do not get pension/matching 401K's like the senior workers.
    That is a good point, but look at the Post Office, they are going broke paying pensions they can no longer afford along with medical benefits. Why should be people not be expected to plan for their own futures?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I totally agree, the two I belonged to protected the weakest members. Stronger more determined members were forced to carry these people, much like what we see today with the Obama administration.
    Somehow, I get the feeling that you will be in the unemployment line before too long.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    In other words, you're a salesman.
    Not really, I don't sell anything. I calculate annual GJ's needed to meet budgets and then suggest possible revenue bearing substitues based on manufactuing by product streams in the area.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Somehow, I get the feeling that you will be in the unemployment line before too long.
    I doubt it, never have been since the masonary laboring days.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Not really, I don't sell anything. I calculate annual GJ's needed to meet budgets and then suggest possible revenue bearing substitues based on manufactuing by product streams in the area.
    Sort of an ENRON on wheels.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Sort of an ENRON on wheels.
    Why would you say that? Sustainability goals are set by the companies I deal with.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I have had two union jobs in the past (early 80's) but after seeing what each stood for I secured positions where my performance as an individual could be graded and rewarded.
    You need more category. There has never been a union where I've worked. So, I've never belonged. But others in my field, and a few of the others I've worked in have factually made more money with better benefits.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You need more category. There has never been a union where I've worked. So, I've never belonged. But others in my field, and a few of the others I've worked in have factually made more money with better benefits.
    when talking basic labor jobs, unions always pay more, when talking skilled performance based careers they pay less. They are for cattle that want to be treated like prize beef.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    That is a good point, but look at the Post Office, they are going broke paying pensions they can no longer afford along with medical benefits. Why should be people not be expected to plan for their own futures?
    I am not saying it is right or wrong on the pension thing. Just wanted to point out that there is an inter-generational wage shift going on in manufacturing (and arguably the 20 year old working beside my brother has been shafted by the union he is paying dues to for the benefit of others doing the same job in the same plant)

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Not really, I don't sell anything. I calculate annual GJ's needed to meet budgets and then suggest possible revenue bearing substitues based on manufactuing by product streams in the area.
    I just wanted to quote you so you will get my post. I wanted to say that Laborer union wages do not have anything to do with manufacturing union wages. Laborer unions are not causing any companies to move to China or anywhere else because they deal with infrastructure. ALL unions are different. You cannot lump them all together.

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