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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    For money (wage) I will do what you tell me to do (slave), just as I've always said. I have no problem with that but quit calling it a "contract" because it really isn't other than your promise to pay me at the end of the day. But there are abusive employers - and some abused workers, just like some abused women, don't feel they can leave, so they rebel instead. Abusive businesses have no one to blame but themselves.
    Slaves don't have the ability to quit. You do. Stop being dramatic. If you don't like the conditions of your workplace, go find another one you like better. In fact, if you really don't like it, go start your own business and hire people to do the work you need done.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Why is that?
    Consider running your household growing your debt each year, let us know how that works out for you.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Slaves don't have the ability to quit. You do. Stop being dramatic. If you don't like the conditions of your workplace, go find another one you like better. In fact, if you really don't like it, go start your own business and hire people to do the work you need done.
    Most workers don't really have the option of quitting, either, and it doesn't do a bit of good to work "over there" when it's the same BS that's over here, as it usually is. Burger flippers at McD's have the same job, pay, and work environment as the burger flippers at BK - and most jobs are this way.

    And why shouldn't I use common terms like that? Some people routinely talks about an "employment contract", which is complete crap, too. Joe uses his time and money to go to an employer (notice it's always on the employer's turf, never even neutral ground?) then gets hired as a mechanic - a job he likes and has done before - and everything is fine for two years. Then one day The Boss decides he needs four coffees for a meeting he's having so he tells Joe to go fetch them for him from Starbucks. Joe wasn't hired as a go-for, he was hired as a mechanic. Why should he be obliged to all-of-a-sudden become a go-for? Because if he doesn't, if he just tells his boss to shove it because that wasn't what he was hired to do, the boss fires him and his two years of employment can't even be used as a reference, thereby making Joe less marketable. Joe has no real choice but to fetch coffee, even if he hands in his two-weeks notice afterward. And you'll also note employers routinely expect two week's notice - but if a company decides to lay someone off they often get a notice late Friday afternoon to not come to work on Monday.

    Again, I understand all too well how the system works - and I'm actually not complaining about it, though I'm sure it looks that way. I just don't like the bull****, which is usually what I hear from the pro-business camp, polite and/or impersonal euphemisms to cover up unequal and/or non-humanitarian behavior by businesses. It's not the unequal and/or non-humanitarian behavior I'm complaining about, it's the words used to cover it up.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's why there's an adjective attached to the word "slave" - but you keep ignoring it in favor nonsense like this.
    Own it, dude, and quit making lame and dishonest excuses just because you don't like the phrase.

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    Yeah, and it's idiocy. I might as well call them "enslaved employers" because they, too, require an income

    It's a dishonest description used by drama queens who are hoping to make rhetoric make up for a lack of evidence or reasonable position.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Most workers don't really have the option of quitting,
    Actually not only do they have the option of quitting, they do so fairly often. As I think I've pointed out to you two or three times now: one-third of US workers plan on quitting this year ALONE. I'm one of them. I will be leaving my current employer and (surprise) increasing my income by between 50-100%.

    Again, I understand all too well how the system works
    No you don't. You have this industrial - era notion of labor immobility that is completely unconnected to the modern workforce.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It was Bush and the bankers that put us here.
    No they didn't. The Bush Recession ended in summer of 2009. This is 100% the "Obama Recovery".

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No they didn't. The Bush Recession ended in summer of 2009. This is 100% the "Obama Recovery".
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Lololol! You can be funny sometimes!
    You want me to go pull the data on it for you?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No they didn't. The Bush Recession ended in summer of 2009. This is 100% the "Obama Recovery".
    Europe took your approach - how's that working out for them???
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, and it's idiocy. I might as well call them "enslaved employers" because they, too, require an income
    Small business - if that's who you're talking about - is trapped in the capitalist system just like everyone else including the workers. Nothing wring with that, it's the best system we've come up with so far. But they're not slaves in that, if they decide to make less profit for being more "caring" that's their choice. Megacorp managers are trapped by the Board, forced to make decisions dictated by someone else, but they actually have real, paper contracts to spell out their responsibilities and compensation, unlike like rest of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's a dishonest description used by drama queens who are hoping to make rhetoric make up for a lack of evidence or reasonable position.
    There's plenty of evidence - and the response is always "quit and go somewhere else". Of course, IRL and especially at times like these, there is often no place else to go.
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