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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I tried to live within my means. It's hard to get by in a city while working, maintaining a car, going to school, paying rent, etc.

    I had help from family. I'm lucky.
    Hard, not impossible, very admirable though

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    20-something dollars an hour is NOT starting out on top. PLENTY of people make a lot more than that. Perhaps next to a McDonald's employee that is the "top." Besides, companies sign contracts with the unions willingly. They AGREE to the terms of the contracts when they sign their names to them. Of course, I'm referring more to labor unions and the like.
    $20 bucks an hour is incredibly high for unskilled labor, entry level positions.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Are we other countries? No? Then Apples and Oranges.

    2: Unions brought about alot of the changes. Including many of the safety measures that are now law. The minimum wage etc etc. But now that all of those are implemented, including a federal department to report unsafe work areas, unions have become obsolete. Now they are just a drain and not a benefit.
    Many construction companies do NOT follow OSHA regulations. OSHA has a LOT of job sites to visit, so they rarely get around to every job site. There are some pretty horrible construction site accidents due to just plain negligence or just old equipment because of a lack of oversight. This stuff is rare on union work sites. All of the workers are required to have OSHA cards, which means they have to pass an OSHA safety test. This is NOT required in private construction industry.

    Also, an employee of a private company does have to worry about retributions if they "rock the boat." This is not the case with union employees. They are protected, and THAT is a good thing.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    $20 bucks an hour is incredibly high for unskilled labor, entry level positions.
    It's a good living wage, and I'm happy that some of the hardest working people (construction guys) are making that kind of money. With the amount of abuse their bodies take and how hard they have to work, they are totally worth it IMO. Their jobs are NO less important than that of any white collar worker. It's all in your perception.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's a good living wage, and I'm happy that some of the hardest working people (construction guys) are making that kind of money. With the amount of abuse their bodies take and how hard they have to work, they are totally worth it IMO. Their jobs are NO less important than that of any white collar worker. It's all in your perception.
    It is about bottom line and what their performance contributes to it.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The job I just got is non-union. Full medical and pay started at 14 dollars an hour. I'll be making 20 dollars an hour in under a year. Non-union pays better, and gives better benefits.
    Well, if your new job is competing with union labor and benefits, then why would they pay you less than what a union job pays? The union is setting the standard for your wages. Without the union you can be sure you'd be making a lot less with no benefits whatsoever.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I worked for the telephone company for about six months -- IBEW union. I resented the dues. Offered to work when the workers struck. By contract, I couldn't. I was pissed as hell. I never liked what they stood for -- which, as I saw it, was keeping everyone mediocre and stifling ingenuity.
    I worked for a telephone company for about six months also, only we were non-union. We got paid minimum wage with no benefits and they were on our backs constantly. They mostly hired part-time college students who they would burn out in a few months. They were always hiring due to the high turnover rate.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    $20 bucks an hour is incredibly high for unskilled labor, entry level positions.
    It just depends. My brother started out making a little better than that at a factory about 15 years or so ago, but he is not making that much more than that after 15 years (I think he is around $28/hour) but newbies at his factory now start off at I think @ $13-$14/hour because the unions had to give up the great old pay scale for the newbies in order to keep the older scale workers from giving back wages and benefits. The newbies also do not get pension/matching 401K's like the senior workers.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    It is about bottom line and what their performance contributes to it.
    People in unions CAN get fired. Not every union is like the teacher's union you know.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I consult users of coal and natural gas on other alternative fuels that could reduce their production cost while helping generators achieve sustainability goals.
    In other words, you're a salesman.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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