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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
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    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You are trading your labor to an employer in exchange for money. They decide what they're willing to pay, you decide if you're willing to work for that amount. If you don't like it, go find another job that pays better. It's that simple.
    That is exactly 100% correct. It is a mutually beneficial arrangement in which each trades something he needs less for something he wants more; and outside the confines of a contract pre-establishing certain conditions, neither side is any more or less blackmailing the other to say that they wish to exchange that arrangement to one more beneficial to themselves. Getting fired for no reason is no different than quitting for no reason, with the exception of the fact that the state will pick up the expense of the irresponsible quitter, whereas the irresponsible business owner suffers all the consequences on his own organization.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You are trading your labor to an employer in exchange for money. They decide what they're willing to pay, you decide if you're willing to work for that amount. If you don't like it, go find another job that pays better. It's that simple. If you want to be paid more money, either find an employer willing to pay you more or make yourself more valuable to the employer you already have. I don't know where you people get the idea that anyone owes you a damn thing. You need to EARN IT!
    For money (wage) I will do what you tell me to do (slave), just as I've always said. I have no problem with that but quit calling it a "contract" because it really isn't other than your promise to pay me at the end of the day. But there are abusive employers - and some abused workers, just like some abused women, don't feel they can leave, so they rebel instead. Abusive businesses have no one to blame but themselves.


    Someone said businesses cull the herd (of workers) and a pro-business poster denied it. What nonsense! Of course they cull the herd just like cheetahs cull the herd of antelope. If, on occasion, a group of antelope get trapped and defend themselves from the cheetah, the cheetah doesn't complain. He learns a lesson and changes his hunting strategy a little - or fails to learn the lesson and has fewer surviving offspring than the one that did learn. What pisses me off is when pro-business people make polite euphemisms for non-humanitarian behavior, like they're ashamed of it or something. Man up and own it for God's sake! Businesses do what they do (which has nothing to do with humanitarian acts) and, if done correctly, everyone prospers for a long time. It's the idiots out for short-term profit that kill the economy.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    yeah, the economy is so much better under the Obama model
    It was Bush and the bankers that put us here. You're trying to blame the current administration for having to clean up that mountain of crap left-overs.

    Ronnie had a mountain of crap to clean up, too, from the oil embargo/rising oil prices and the long-term aftermath of Vietnam. He also spend money like crazy. Would you like to slam him, too?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Cute except that this doesn't actually tilt the scales in favor of business. It simply reduces the tilt in favor of unions.
    Apparently you haven't learned algebra, yet.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    For money (wage) I will do what you tell me to do (slave), just as I've always said. I have no problem with that but quit calling it a "contract" because it really isn't other than your promise to pay me at the end of the day.
    What utter crap. Being told what to do does not make one a slave - having ones' rights stolen, being made into human property, and (and this is sort of important) not being paid makes one a slave. It's mutually beneficial trade - you sell your labor, they sell their money.

    But there are abusive employers
    and there are abusive employees.

    It's the idiots out for short-term profit that kill the economy.
    Agreed. For example, the idiots who choke off the businesses they work at in order to coerce a better compensation package today, in return for the company being unable to hire or even going under tomorrow.

    Apparently you haven't learned algebra, yet.
    what a fantastically erudite response.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It was Bush and the bankers that put us here. You're trying to blame the current administration for having to clean up that mountain of crap left-overs.

    Ronnie had a mountain of crap to clean up, too, from the oil embargo/rising oil prices and the long-term aftermath of Vietnam. He also spend money like crazy. Would you like to slam him, too?
    Obama is spending at double the rate of Bush ignoring the economy and putting people back to work. Liberal leadership rewards people for bad behavior and now we are seeing many rewards from this administration, unfortunately for our grandchildren Obama is borrowing from China to hand them out.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What utter crap. Being told what to do does not make one a slave - having ones' rights stolen, being made into human property, and (and this is sort of important) not being paid makes one a slave. It's mutually beneficial trade - you sell your labor, they sell their money.
    That's why there's an adjective attached to the word "slave" - but you keep ignoring it in favor nonsense like this.
    Own it, dude, and quit making lame and dishonest excuses just because you don't like the phrase.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Obama is spending at double the rate of Bush ignoring the economy and putting people back to work.
    Considering Bush inherited a balanced budget (or damn near depending on what numbers you use) and Obama inherited the Economic Collapse of 2008, the worst financial disaster in 80 years, I'd say Obama wins that test hands down.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Considering Bush inherited a balanced budget (or damn near depending on what numbers you use) and Obama inherited the Economic Collapse of 2008, the worst financial disaster in 80 years, I'd say Obama wins that test hands down.
    Until debt is actually reduced, the argument is laughable

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Why is that?
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    Until debt is actually reduced, the argument is laughable
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