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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
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  • I have never and would never join one

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually the union model is based around the old Aesop's Fable of the man teaching his son about the strength of a bundle of sticks.
    Yeah. So are drug cartels. Simply "because unions are powerful" isn't a really good argument in their favor.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Like Mo said, the same can be said of any company that isn't union-related.
    I don't have the time for it right now, but Mo is incorrect. Business has been incredibly beneficial to mankind. Free Trade has done amazingly good things - lifted hundreds of millions out of soul-crushing poverty in the last couple of decades alone.

    However, since it is built around competition, it is bad for those who use a method of organizing that is non-competitive. That is why non-unionized businesses are succeeding, while unionized businesses are failing.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. So are drug cartels. Simply "because unions are powerful" isn't a really good argument in their favor.
    Boy did you miss the point of that. The point is the same as it was told by Aesop, an individual by themselves can be broken while in unity there is strength. And what you take from that is drug cartels. Amazing!!!!!
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Workers can organize for the exact same reasons. It's their labor so they can do what they want within the scope of the law.
    Absolutely. Unfortunately, one of the things they seek to do is to stop the employer from exercising their freedom to hire who they want.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Absolutely. Unfortunately, one of the things they seek to do is to stop the employer from exercising their freedom to hire who they want.
    Just as many employers try to stop any talk of unionizing and, quite often, fire the would-be organizers.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Just as many employers try to stop any talk of unionizing and, quite often, fire the would-be organizers.
    Because unions are a pain in the ass, hell, I'd do the same thing. As a business owner, you are trading your labor for a paycheck. Both of us are free to end this relationship at any time. You don't get to blackmail me into paying you more, just because you can threaten to shut down my business at any time. Don't like what I pay you? Go find another job.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because unions are a pain in the ass, hell, I'd do the same thing. As a business owner, you are trading your labor for a paycheck. Both of us are free to end this relationship at any time. You don't get to blackmail me into paying you more, just because you can threaten to shut down my business at any time. Don't like what I pay you? Go find another job.

    Try again.
    Threatening to fire me if I refuse to take a pay cut, deal with poorer working conditions, or any other thing where you have failed to hold to our original agreement is also blackmail.

    But, hey, if you're saying the business owners hold all the cards and make the rules of game besides then you've shown exactly why labor unions came into existence in the first place. Most things don't just pop up out of a vacuum. Poor employment practices forced a response by workers. I can't recall union talk getting any traction at a company where the employees are happy with their jobs. But start crapping on your employees and some will start flinging the poo back at you.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Boy did you miss the point of that. The point is the same as it was told by Aesop, an individual by themselves can be broken while in unity there is strength. And what you take from that is drug cartels. Amazing!!!!!
    Why do you think drug dealers organize and stick together in groups? Because they are all highly sociable people?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Threatening to fire me if I refuse to take a pay cut, deal with poorer working conditions, or any other thing where you have failed to hold to our original agreement is also blackmail.
    Really? What is threatening to quit if you don't get a pay raise?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Anywho, on this topic, Unions continue to demonstrate their level of general usefulness and competitiveness:


    Union Membership Falls to 70 Year Lows

    ...The nation's unions lost 400,000 members in 2012 as the percentage of U.S. workers represented by a labor union fell to 11.3 percent, its lowest level since the 1930s...

    Michigan accounted for about 10 percent of the nation's loss of unionized workers as the Wolverine State fell to the seventh most-unionized state, from fifth in 2011.

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the biggest hit was in public sector unions, where many states and cities have cut back on their unionized workforce.

    Among public sector workers, 35.9 percent are in a union - down from 37.0 percent in 2011, as the public sector shed nearly 250,000 union workers.

    The public sector union rate is more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers. In the private sector, 6.6 percent are unionized, down from 6.9 percent in 2011.

    Union membership fell in 34 states....

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