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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
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    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The overwhelming majority do and for those that don't, there are legal means for reporting them for fine or imprisonment. A union cannot achieve anything in that regard that the individual employees cannot do on their own.

    As for the second part, where did you ever get that stupid idea? Of course the employees are not equal to their employers. The employer, and I'm speaking specifically of small business owners who start companies from scratch, have all the risk in ensuring that the business is successful, they have put in their time, money and effort to something that, for the majority of small businesses, fail in the first year. To have that be successful, to be able to employ other people, to produce things that are valuable to the public, they certainly deserve a bigger portion of the reward based on the bigger portion of the risk they took.

    What is beyond ridiculous is that you believe otherwise.
    Most "small" businesses don't even have unionization because there aren't enough employees.

    I don't know what you are talking about with the lawyer. Who pays for a lawyer for you if you are wrongfully terminated, and you don't make much money to begin with so what you have, you have to save to survive on and can't afford to pay a lawyer yourself. Don't even say that lawyers will take it pro bono, they usually only will do that if there is going to be a big payday for them.

    Also, it's your word against their's a lot of times, and THEY are not always telling the truth either.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Define "wrongly". If they were discriminated against, say for their race or gender, there are certainly avenues that they can pursue that cost nothing, plus there are plenty of groups out there that will take the case pro bono if it's sufficiently grievous. Yes though, he's out of a job. Welcome to life.

    But you turn around and take a union shop, especially when it's a big national union that has no stake in the health of the individual shop, which pushes for absurd wages and benefits, to the point that the company can not expand or improve or stay competitive, and in fact, goes out of business altogether. Then, you're absolutely wrong, the employer can claim all the same things because not only do they no longer have a job, they've probably lost their homes and all the things they mortgaged to the hilt to start the company in the first place.
    There are all kinds of things that could define "wrongly." Your employer can give ANY reason for terminating employment.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are all kinds of things that could define "wrongly." Your employer can give ANY reason for terminating employment.
    No, define your terms. Wrongful termination only applies to certain specific legal applications. Just because you don't like being terminated doesn't make it wrongful.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, define your terms. Wrongful termination only applies to certain specific legal applications. Just because you don't like being terminated doesn't make it wrongful.

    Nobody owes you a job.
    Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin? IMO, employees deserve SOME kind of job security, if they're good employees of course, but that's not always how it works. You want to talk about greedy? Take a good hard look at a lot of general contractors in the construction business.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin?
    Because it's their business and they can do what they want, within the scope of the law?

    IMO, employees deserve SOME kind of job security, if they're good employees of course, but that's not always how it works. You want to talk about greedy? Take a good hard look at a lot of general contractors in the construction business.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    As of January 3, 2013, I am officially retired from the Department of Defense. I organized a union for all the technicians in my command to combat Bush's National Security Personnel System. I later was appointed Union Steward. I largely did not follow the leftist political leanings of the AFGE (American Federation of Government Employees), but I kept my mouth shut on political matters because I needed the AFGE's support. You know the old phrase, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?" I'm glad I'm no longer affiliated. I'm tired of hiding what I really thought over the years.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin?
    My first job teaching public school, my contract was not renewed because the principal's nephew needed a job. teacher's union didn't do squat to help me.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because it's their business and they can do what they want, within the scope of the law
    Workers can organize for the exact same reasons. It's their labor so they can do what they want within the scope of the law.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nobody owes you a job, but why should they be able to terminate you because they want to hire their cousin?
    because the job belongs to them. Nobody owes you a car, but someone who loans you one has the right to take it back for whatever reason they like, absent a contract.

    Or, if that doesn't really do it for you, flip the question:

    employers (as many have noted here) depend on their employees just as much as employees depend on employers. Why should employees be able to quit because they want to go work for their cousin?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are all kinds of things that could define "wrongly." Your employer can give ANY reason for terminating employment.

    what reasons can you give for terminating your employment?

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