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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Back that up with references, or a logically sound argument.

    Do union wages affect the non union wages within the same job site or company? Certainly. But from one company to another? One state to another? Basic economics denies this, as does simple logic.
    I guess that would depend upon the industry.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Seriously, there is indeed evidence that union-heavy states do indeed have higher average wages (as we talked about earlier, depending on how you count). There seriously is also evidence that the downside of that is higher unemployment, lower growth, and economic stagnation.
    My state is heavy on unions and come to think about it I remember plenty of plants moving out but I don't remember new plants coming in to take their place, you may be on to something.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    My state is heavy on unions and come to think about it I remember plenty of plants moving out but I don't remember new plants coming in to take their place, you may be on to something.
    As if you know about every industry that comes and goes out of your state. I notice you don't mention the name of your state either.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wait. I thought workers were powerless in the face of a race to the bottom from companies? If workers have the ability to go sell their labor to a higher bidder, then your earlier argument that without a union they are stuck with whatever their current boss offers is moot.
    The extra 10% was from a union company - please keep up. One non-union business pays pretty much the same as another to fill the same job.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The extra 10% was from a union company - please keep up. One non-union business pays pretty much the same as another to fill the same job.
    If employees have the ability to move from one employer to another who pays them more, then your earlier claims that they are at the mercy of their current employer are moot, regardless of the nature of that other employer - all that is required for your model to fall apart is that employees have the ability to seek higher compensation for their labor.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If employees have the ability to move from one employer to another who pays them more, then your earlier claims that they are at the mercy of their current employer are moot, regardless of the nature of that other employer - all that is required for your model to fall apart is that employees have the ability to seek higher compensation for their labor.
    Again you're trying to apply a commodities model to people ((and you wonder why we use the term "wage slave"??? LOL!!)). A supply/demand model might work for iron ore and paper but it can't work for people because you can't just park them in a warehouse and shut down production for awhile until the price goes back up. Unless you're willing to let those idle people die, the supply cannot be adjusted to the demand. As a society we've decided not to let people die, so when the demand goes down there's simply no way to adjust supply (fast enough) as a counter-balance, which would happen for commodities. So, what happens then? The people that are still working pay for those people to be idle, which reduces consumer spending and drags the economy further down. Iron ore doesn't have this affect, so your supply/demand model fails - unless you're willing to let people die to reduce the supply and raise the price, again.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    As if you know about every industry that comes and goes out of your state. I notice you don't mention the name of your state either.
    We lost Goodyear and Continental Tire plants, both union, I think Rohm and Haus is gone now, WR Grace -gone, GE-gone, Guardian Automotive-gone

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    We lost Goodyear and Continental Tire plants, both union, I think Rohm and Haus is gone now, WR Grace -gone, GE-gone, Guardian Automotive-gone
    Is that all you can do is provide is anecdotal evidence?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Is that all you can do is provide is anecdotal evidence?
    Anyone with any life experience knows that companies are closing and the unions are part of the problem. Sucks to be you.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Anyone with any life experience knows that companies are closing and the unions are part of the problem. Sucks to be you.
    OH, anyone knows?

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