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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So why the comment? I mean, it read to me like you were saying that Japanese auto workers get paid what they do because, thanks to unions, other auto workers get paid that...
    I think in the auto industry unions do set a kind of pay scale, yes. But if non-union jobs continued to pay a reasonable wage there would be no need for the union. People don't form unions when they're happy with their jobs and their basic needs are being met. I've given up promotions and higher paying jobs because I didn't like the work I would be required to do and liked where I was - haven't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But now you've dropped another egg, lol. Are you now suggesting that WORKERS are seen as ANYTHING more than a potential resource to be exploited by the union? You realize that unions are businesses, for profit, right? You honestly think that union leadership sees their members as names, and numbers on a page, meaningless beyond the union income they represent?
    Unions may be businesses but they're (more or less) owned by the members. Or are you saying you think business men own the unions and take all the profits? If so, I'd like to see evidence of that.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sorry, that was a bit round-a-bout.

    One state has 10 men making 10 dollars apiece - average of $10 an hour.

    But the other state has two ways of counting. Either the 7 men working earn $13 for an average wage of $13 an hour, or only $91 is earned for the same 10 men as in State A who all want jobs, in which case the average wage is $9.10 an hour.

    Depending on how you measure state B (our union state), it will have better or worse wages than State A (our right to work state).



    We all want to make a decent living, and we want that for others to. Those are good instincts, and should be encouraged. Unfortunately, because of that, we tend to be willing to forget that labor exists on a supply/demand curve, and that when you increase the price of labor, you decrease demand for it.
    You're giving me a headache.

    Seriously, the union wages set a standard for others.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And for the record, many Japanese cars made in the US ARE made by union workers.
    I didn't know that. What plants are those?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Round here, all the unions are closed shop. Join the union, or don't work there. And round here, as well, I imagine, as most everywhere else, unions have great employee retention. Closed shop or not. So, unless a company is forever growing, they are NOT hiring. Without more work, there's no need for more employees. And its hard to get rid of workers at union shops. But don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself. Are most union workers young kids, or older workers who have been in the union a while?

    And again, to think that union wages in bowling green, Kentucky have ANY effect on non union wages for the same basic jobs in Greenville, South Carolina...ignores completely economic reality.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You're giving me a headache.

    Seriously, the union wages set a standard for others.
    Back that up with references, or a logically sound argument.

    Do union wages affect the non union wages within the same job site or company? Certainly. But from one company to another? One state to another? Basic economics denies this, as does simple logic.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think in the auto industry unions do set a kind of pay scale, yes. But if non-union jobs continued to pay a reasonable wage there would be no need for the union. People don't form unions when they're happy with their jobs and their basic needs are being met. I've given up promotions and higher paying jobs because I didn't like the work I would be required to do and liked where I was - haven't you?

    Unions may be businesses but they're (more or less) owned by the members. Or are you saying you think business men own the unions and take all the profits? If so, I'd like to see evidence of that.
    In CT, the union leaders own houses in the same ritzy neighborhoods as the business owners. Union leaders make millions per year.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I didn't know that. What plants are those?
    American Made?

    Scroll down towards the bottom. The be glib, I'll just answer...the most expensive ones, lol.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    In CT, the union leaders own houses in the same ritzy neighborhoods as the business owners. Union leaders make millions per year.
    So do other people that run not-for profits - that doesn't mean they own the union.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So do other people that run not-for profits - that doesn't mean they own the union.
    I never said a thing about ownership. Only that unions view its workers exactly the same as the company does. A means to an end.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    American Made?

    Scroll down towards the bottom. The be glib, I'll just answer...the most expensive ones, lol.
    Mazdas and Suzukis, plus the Corolla and Tacoma. Not what I'd call the most expensive. I wonder why those two Toyota models are exceptions?
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