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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I guess you're not old enough to understand that phrase's meaning.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You can't reason with these people. They think we're trying to ban unions, which is ridiculous. Personally the only issue I have with it is that it can be made mandatory. People should certainly be able to associate with and pay who they please. They still have failed over and over and over again to give a real reason why something as awesome as they describe it is must be mandatory. Nothing says confidence in your ideals like making it compulsory.

    Then there's always the "Well you can just go find another job in your completely unionized career field." BS.
    The Japanese came in and set up auto assembly plants in America. Those workers are paid near union wages and benefits without there being a union. Why isn't there a union at those Japanese auto plants? Because it's not needed. Too bad other American companies can't learn that lesson.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You can't reason with these people. They think we're trying to ban unions, which is ridiculous.
    Or enslave workers, or etc. etc. etc. ; ridiculous charges are thrown at you if you dare to have a problem with union leadership

    frankly, it's surprising it took this long to reach for the language of racism. That's usually a bugaboo of choice when you want to try to delegitimize the opposition.

    Personally the only issue I have with it is that it can be made mandatory. People should certainly be able to associate with and pay who they please. They still have failed over and over and over again to give a real reason why something as awesome as they describe it is must be mandatory. Nothing says confidence in your ideals like making it compulsory.
    Bingo. Well put indeed.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Or enslave workers, or etc. etc. etc. ; ridiculous charges are thrown at you if you dare to have a problem with union leadership

    frankly, it's surprising it took this long to reach for the language of racism. That's usually a bugaboo of choice when you want to try to delegitimize the opposition.
    You can lead them to the wiki but you can't force them to read it.


    I come from a different generation than you so don't mistake that phrase for some inane literal translation that you dreamed up to suit your needs. The comment had nothing to do with race and everything to do with your oh so obvious opinion of unions and their members.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    NO clue. The board hiccuped about that time so I submitted again. (I guess that's why we're always told not to submit again when making CC transactions!) Oddly enough, the strip under that post shows "You and [ARG:2 UNDEFINED] like this." on my computer - but on my user page it comes up as me Liking it twice at the same time - very strange.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Japanese came in and set up auto assembly plants in America. Those workers are paid near union wages and benefits without there being a union.
    That's interesting. Can you back it up?

    GM says its total hourly labor costs are $69. Toyotas is $48

    Why isn't there a union at those Japanese auto plants?
    Because the Japanese wisely built in right to work states, and those workers prefer to have jobs, having seen what happened to the Rust Belt. Like Alpaca says, sometimes there is good reason for folks to unionize. Monopsony's, for example. But if there is good reason for it, you don't need to coerce it.



    So can ya'll explain why, when given the chance to do so, so many workers rush to abandon the unions they'd been forced to join?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Japanese came in and set up auto assembly plants in America. Those workers are paid near union wages and benefits without there being a union. Why isn't there a union at those Japanese auto plants? Because it's not needed. Too bad other American companies can't learn that lesson.
    Are you suggesting that withou unions, those wages at Toyota and Honda would be lower? That's a pretty bold claim to make without providing a single scrap of reference to support it.

    Also, I recall a time in the 80s, when those cara broke into our market...because they were so much cheaper than cars made in the US, without a sacrifice in quality. Then, we started building US cars in Mexico, and Japanese cars in the US. And last I checked, toyotas cost more than Chevys, and chevy has had fewer recalls in the last couple years, sans the issues with the Volt, the super car savior of the world. Go figure, eh?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here I was thinking I was special or something!
    You are special and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You are special and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
    Awww!!! How sweet! Thanks!

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Are you suggesting that withou unions, those wages at Toyota and Honda would be lower? That's a pretty bold claim to make without providing a single scrap of reference to support it.
    Not necessarily. What I'm suggesting is that if workers were actually paid what they're worth to the company (instead of their market value) and treated like people (instead of being just a line on the ledger like sheet steel or brake pads) there would be no need for unions. Things like unions don't form in a vacuum, they form from a need in society. If there is no need then, eventually, the unions would fade away on their own.
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