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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I was in the NCO assoc and never once thought it was a union.
    if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....

    for all intents and purposes it is a union.

    question; were you ever pressured to join the NCO association? I had my OER threatened on several occasions over joining the officer's association.

    i get called to the CO's office:

    CO: CPT B, I see you haven't paid your guard association dues yet.

    Me; well sir, money is tight this year and I was thinking about not joining this year.

    CO: Well, I can't force you to join, but I would have to question your judgement and decision making skills on your next OER if you don't

    Me: roger sir, I'll send them a check today.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    I am not saying you are wrong, but is seems to me a union would have some effect on working conditions or pay. I am just surprised with the military having a union.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....

    for all intents and purposes it is a union.

    question; were you ever pressured to join the NCO association? I had my OER threatened on several occasions over joining the officer's association.

    i get called to the CO's office:

    CO: CPT B, I see you haven't paid your guard association dues yet.

    Me; well sir, money is tight this year and I was thinking about not joining this year.

    CO: Well, I can't force you to join, but I would have to question your judgement and decision making skills on your next OER if you don't

    Me: roger sir, I'll send them a check today.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am not saying you are wrong, but is seems to me a union would have some effect on working conditions or pay. I am just surprised with the military having a union.
    the guard association sends reps to DC to lobby congress for pay raises and bennies. that's one of the things they always used to tell us to encourage membership: "if it wasn't for the guard association we would never get pay raises" etc.

    check out the link


    http://www.ngaus.org/


    there is a link at the site to 'legislation' that the guard association allegedly got pushed through to benefit its members

    Past Successes
    Since 1878, the National Guard Association of the United States (NGAUS) has been fighting for the needs of the National Guard on Capitol Hill. Recent legislative successes include:

    National Guard Empowerment
    NGAUS has worked to ensure that National Guard leaders have an enhanced voice and position in the Department of Defense decision-making process. In 2008, NGAUS worked with Congress to pass Empowerment I, elevating the Chief of the National Guard Bureau (CNGB) from a three-star to a four-star general. NGAUS celebrated the victory, but didn’t stop there. In 2011, NGAUS successfully pushed for Empowerment II, which provided a seat for the CNGB on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and re-established a three-star Vice Chief position, an effort that’s considered the most significant legislative victory since the Militia Act of 1903 created the modern, dual-mission National Guard.

    GI Bill 2.0 – Post 9/11 GI Bill for National Guard

    Overturning Proposed Air National Guard Cuts

    Modernizing the Army National Guard

    Other notable legislative successes:
    Historic levels of National Guard and Reserve Equipment Account (NGREA) and Military Construction (MILCON) funds
    Robust Personnel and Operations and Maintenance (O&M) funding to maintain an operational reserve
    Maintained ANG end strength of 106,700 and ARNG end strength of 358,200
    Behavior health support for members of the Reserve Component during scheduled unit training assemblies
    Reemployment rights for Title 32 National Guard duty
    Expansion of state licensure exceptions for certain health care professionals to provide access to healthcare for National Guard soldiers in rural and remote areas
    Halted Air Force attempt to reassign Air National Guard C-130s into an active-component unit in Little Rock, AR
    Authority to temporarily hire non-dual status technicians to fill vacancies created by the mobilization of a dual status technicians
    Authority for the VA to provide mental health care for veterans and their families — post deployment
    Extended TRICARE coverage for “Gray Area” retirees
    Doubled from 90 to 180 days the time a Reserve Component member is covered under TRICARE Prime prior to mobilization
    Increased full-time support personnel for the Army National Guard including the largest increase for Active, Guard and Reserves (AGR) in 22 years
    Last edited by OscarB63; 01-03-13 at 02:04 PM.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Will do.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the guard association sends reps to DC to lobby congress for pay raises and bennies. that's one of the things they always used to tell us to encourage membership: "if it wasn't for the guard association we would never get pay raises" etc.

    check out the link


    Home | National Guard Association of the United States


    there is a link at the site to 'legislation' that the guard association allegedly got pushed through to benefit its members
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Interesting. I guess you could call it a union.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the issue is that for many public sector unions, there is no choice about being in the union. either you join the union or you don't get hired. when i was teaching public school i was forced to join not one but 3 unions and pay 3 separate and outrageous dues if i wanted to keep my job.

    the local teacher's union for the system where i taught
    the alabama education association
    the national education association

    there was no "opting out" of being in the union unless you wanted to opt out of teaching in the public school system.

    before I transferred from the national guard into the army reserves, I was basically forced to join the guard's Officer Association (read union). membership was not mandatory but any officer failing to "voluntarily" join and pay his/her dues received a "needs improvement" rating under "decision making' and "judgement" on their next officer eval.
    Did you look at my link on the previous page? It says that as of June 2012 ruling by the SCOTUS, that public sector unions CANNOT force membership or dues. So your story might have been true when you were a teacher some years ago, but as of now that is no longer the case.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Did you look at my link on the previous page? It says that as of June 2012 ruling by the SCOTUS, that public sector unions CANNOT force membership or dues. So your story might have been true when you were a teacher some years ago, but as of now that is no longer the case.
    and as we all know...there are ways of "encouraging" membership without making it mandatory.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and as we all know...there are ways of "encouraging" membership without making it mandatory.
    Okay, now I'll take YOUR side's argument and say, then just find another job.

    Besides, this isn't the 1950s or 1960s anymore. The unions cannot get away with some of the things they used to do.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I guess you must have skimmed over this part.
    Nope. I put it in context. Justice Samuel Alito was talking about non-union workers having the same right to choose and express thier views on political and social issues without government interference. He was not saying that employees could work at the same job as union workers without joining a union if they want to.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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