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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They can represent themselves. There are more ways than just Union Bosses that the common person has for representation.
    Most regular working class people CANNOT afford a lawyer, especially AFTER they have gotten fired. The unions protect workers from being put in this situation.

    Given that most Union employee's live in certain areas and are not spread out across the whole of the US...yes they do. Look at illegals aliens. There are less of them than there are union employees and yet they apparently have just as much representation. Certainly enough to get Amensty once and Obama is trying for all he's worth to give them amnesty again.
    This comment doesn't even make any sense.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think a group of people trying to call dibs on any sector at the expense of other workers is ridiculous. 7% of jobs may be union right now, but I think most of the pro-union-mandaters around her want most jobs to be union, so the "they can just go somewhere else" argument isn't a very good one.
    And why on earth wouldn't ANY worker want union representation? Unless they listen to the bogus stuff like is being said here. Even with dues, etc., a union construction worker makes more money and has more benefits than a nonunion construction worker.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Apparently some people want to go back to the robber baron days when corporations would OWN entire towns, and everyone who lived in those towns was indebted to these corporations.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And why on earth wouldn't ANY worker want union representation? Unless they listen to the bogus stuff like is being said here. Even with dues, etc., a union construction worker makes more money and has more benefits than a nonunion construction worker.
    If that's true, then let the workers decide for themselves to join the union instead of trying to strong arm them into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Apparently some people want to go back to the robber baron days when corporations would OWN entire towns, and everyone who lived in those towns was indebted to these corporations.
    Funny, in Germany and many other places in europe, union membership is much higher, and the pay and working conditions are better. Yet there it is entirely voluntary to join a union.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If that's true, then let the workers decide for themselves to join the union instead of trying to strong arm them into it.


    Funny, in Germany and many other places in europe, union membership is much higher, and the pay and working conditions are better. Yet there it is entirely voluntary to join a union.
    They don't "force" anyone to join. It is completely voluntary.

    Where has anyone been forced to join a union against their will?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They don't "force" anyone to join. It is completely voluntary.
    Bull****. If you're in a non-right-to-work state, and you're in a heavily unionized career field, it is almost impossible to get a job without joining a union. Poor people don't have the resources to retrain or move to other places. This is the equivalent of saying "Oh, nobody is forcing you to join a union, we're just going to make sure you can't get a job if you don't. That's YOUR choice!"
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Bull****. If you're in a non-right-to-work state, and you're in a heavily unionized career field, it is almost impossible to get a job without joining a union. Poor people don't have the resources to retrain or move to other places. This is the equivalent of saying "Oh, nobody is forcing you to join a union, we're just going to make sure you can't get a job if you don't. That's YOUR choice!"
    That is just silly. You could make the same claims if you WANTED to join a union in a right-to-work state. It is STILL a choice.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is just silly. You could make the same claims if you WANTED to join a union in a right-to-work state. It is STILL a choice.
    Oh, I didn't realize right to work prevented unions from existing. Here I just thought it removed the coercive power of strongarming people to join.

    Nobody has been able to explain to me why it is that other countries like Germany can have such high union membership while the entire country is "right to work" as per federal law. The unions are failing to represent their workers, and as such workers are deciding not to join. Simple as that.

    The average union worker pays anywhere from $500-$1000 a year in dues. You can not possibly tell me that it costs that much to "negotiate" with an employer for higher wages. That money is used to play politics and to line the pockets of union leaders. Get rid of the dues, and just have the employees negotiate with the employers, and you'll have a system that works.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Oh, I didn't realize right to work prevented unions from existing. Here I just thought it removed the coercive power of strongarming people to join.

    Nobody has been able to explain to me why it is that other countries like Germany can have such high union membership while the entire country is "right to work" as per federal law. The unions are failing to represent their workers, and as such workers are deciding not to join. Simple as that.

    The average union worker pays anywhere from $500-$1000 a year in dues. You can not possibly tell me that it costs that much to "negotiate" with an employer for higher wages. That money is used to play politics and to line the pockets of union leaders. Get rid of the dues, and just have the employees negotiate with the employers, and you'll have a system that works.
    Of course unions play politics. They would be kind of stupid if they didn't. EVERYONE does this, not just unions. You are just singling out unions for doing what all organizations do. Also, they have to pay people to work, like secretaries, people to maintain the books, people to do negotiations, etc., etc. It IS an organization after all.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    I don't know about other unions, but I know that LIUNA also offers FREE training programs for its members, so that they can improve themselves. LIUNA is a laborer union, but the members can go to a facility in northern MA and train to operate heavy equipment or learn other specialty trades. That is ONE place where dues go.

    Edit: I found a link. It's call the New England Laborers' Training Trust Fund

    http://www.nelaborerstraining.com/
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