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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Have you seen the recent news about the independent electrical contractor in Ohio that was shot by a union vandal who was confronted while spray painting the word "Scab" on his victim's SUV? Don't count on reading about it in the Washington Post or the New York Times. But can you imagine the press eruption that would follow the shooting of, say, a political campaign worker by a rival party member spouting vicious slogans?

    What makes it socially acceptable to harass, intimidate, vandalize, beat up, and even shoot someone because they are willing to do a job for a wage that you are not willing to accept? Despite epic animosity, Americans across the ideological spectrum rightly speak out against acts of political violence. Yet why do so many of us accept, and even condone, a special exception for union workers whose motives are purely economic? What is it that is so noble about giving union bosses monopoly control over certain professions that we accept it when they break heads?

    Why do we accept Union Violence?
    Is it because union violence holds a hallowed place in our educational pedagogy? Every school kid is raised on romantic stories of the birth of organized labor during the industrial revolution when underpaid, overworked mine and steel workers rose up to demand safer working conditions along with a decent wage. Most educated people can recite the labor side of the Homestead Strike story, citing it as an example of justifiable violence against an intransigent management that attempted to use Pinkertons to protect company property. Funny that these same educated people don't know that local police refused to evict militant strikers that had taken over a plant threatening to burn it down, or that the National Guard had to be called out to restore order after the Pinkertons had their heads blown off.

    Regardless of whether you think the deplorable working conditions of the industrial revolution justified arson and murder, the Homestead Strike occurred in 1892. What possible relation does it bear to modern electrical contractors or call center operators?

    Things sure turned ugly fast in the recent Verizon strike. The Associated Press reported 70 acts of sabotage in the first week. A New Jersey judge had to issue an injunction banning members of the Communications Workers of America from "Dropping, spreading, throwing, placing or otherwise causing nails, glass, cinder block, spikes, feces, clubs, rocks, screws, or puncture devices of any kind, or other object or debris to be thrown or strewn in, on, or about Verizon's driveways, parking lots, entrances, exits, vehicles and adjoining roads to any of Verizon's property or at any work site." Investigative reporters may be nowhere to be seen, but thanks to cell phone cameras some nasty videos are beginning to pop up on the web.

    According to the National Institute for Labor Relations Research there have been 4,400 recorded acts of labor violence since 1991. The Teamsters lead the pack with 454, as one would expect from an organization once infiltrated by organized crime. The Teamsters have plenty of company, yet few offenders are called to account. In the Homestead tradition, law enforcement tends to melt away when a union goes on a rampage. Barely three percent of violent crimes committed by union members lead to an arrest or conviction.

    This can only happen due to public acceptance. If violent behavior on the part of unions was met with the same kind of opprobrium meted out to child molesters it would disappear in a heartbeat. Let's face it, these are our neighbors. In all other respects they are normal people. They would never dream of walking into a supermarket and beating up the cashier if she charged more for a can of soup than what some union boss determined was the "right" price. Yet these same people, when dealing with differences of opinion over labor prices, think nothing of becoming raging hooligans, or worse. The only way to make them ashamed of their violent behavior is to name and shame them.

    Why Do We Accept Union Violence? By Bill Frezza | Field & Stream
    Oh, so you're taking an individual act of violence and applying it to the WHOLE union and to all of it's member. That sounds real fair.

    Besides, you said in the Northeast. OHIO is not the Northeast.

    OMG! I just LOVE how your link talks about an incident in . . . when was that? Oh 1892. You are TOO much!

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, so you're taking an individual act of violence and applying it to the WHOLE union and to all of it's member. That sounds real fair.

    Besides, you said in the Northeast. OHIO is not the Northeast.
    I see you did not read the article, the northeast is mentioned slow one. You can't defend your position that unions are peaceful in the northeast

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I see you did not read the article, the northeast is mentioned slow one. You can't defend your position that unions are peaceful in the northeast
    Yes I can. You can't call an organization violent because of what one or a few members do. I know a FEW union members, and I live in Massachusetts. If there was violence, I would KNOW about that.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I see you did not read the article, the northeast is mentioned slow one. You can't defend your position that unions are peaceful in the northeast
    Did you know that Gillette Stadium was built on schedule and UNDER budget by the unions? And NO violence.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Irrelevant. The unions have outlived their purpose, and have been made obsolete by the laws they pushed for in the 30's and 50's.
    How long do you think it would take to weaken and/or abolish those labor laws? By the looks of it, all it would take is a few well paid lobbyists and corrupt politicians working in favor of employers....

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Careers no

    Positions at companies that have made such contracts with unions

    I just point out that no careers force a person to be part of a union. People have the choice of working at a company that has a union and is a closed shop or not work for that company. They can work for or at any number of other companies/jobs that do not require it
    I think a group of people trying to call dibs on any sector at the expense of other workers is ridiculous. 7% of jobs may be union right now, but I think most of the pro-union-mandaters around her want most jobs to be union, so the "they can just go somewhere else" argument isn't a very good one.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Interesting. Do you have any evidence that the electricians who were turned away were turned away because they lacked the necessary skill sets rather than the fact that they weren't union?

    Specifically this:



    Do you have an explanation for that?
    Card carrying union electricians have completed 5 years 800 hours of class room training and have 8000 hours of work experience, how do you verify that an out of state non union electrician has the training and experience required to work safely, i will repeat myself would you want a person working next to you that may not have the experience to do the work? We are not talking about changing a light fixture or new electrical outlet.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think a group of people trying to call dibs on any sector at the expense of other workers is ridiculous. 7% of jobs may be union right now, but I think most of the pro-union-mandaters around her want most jobs to be union, so the "they can just go somewhere else" argument isn't a very good one.
    A union rep can not just walk into a company and say you are now a union company, the workers on the job at the time have to take a vote to become a union. Once they have a union representing them those workers negotiate for a fair working wage, benefits and conditions, why should a person from the outside be able to walk in and share in the union negotiated rights without becoming a union member? Some jobs actually require training that union apprentices supply.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Do you think those labor and safety laws that you now enjoy would exist without the labor movement?

    "... The labour movement has been instrumental in the enacting of laws protecting labour rights in the 19th and 20th centuries. Labour rights have been integral to the social and economic development since the Industrial Revolution. Employment standards are social norms (in some cases also technical standards) for the minimum socially acceptable conditions under which employees or contractors will work. Government agencies (such as the former U.S. Employment Standards Administration) enforce employment standards codified by labour law (legislative, regulatory, or judicial).

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    I'm pretty sure that most people that paid attention in school is well aware of the part that Unions played to get many of our labor laws passed. Do you think that if Unions went the way of the dodo that those laws would disappear? Personally knowing the way that Americans are...not going to happen. To claim otherwise is nothing more than a scare tactic.

    But honestly, I hope that Unions do stick around. But not as they are currently. Unions need to change how they operate. They need to stop being the bully and come into the 21st Century. They need to start actually caring about the Working Class instead of just saying that they do. Part of doing that is by taking Germany's example and working with both the workers and the company instead of against the company and treating ALL of the working class like people instead of like ATM's.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thank God that unions are still hanging on, as without them workers have no representation against corporate lobbyists.
    They can represent themselves. There are more ways than just Union Bosses that the common person has for representation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Given that only 7% of American jobs are union jobs, I'm afraid that doesn't carry any water.
    Given that most Union employee's live in certain areas and are not spread out across the whole of the US...yes they do. Look at illegals aliens. There are less of them than there are union employees and yet they apparently have just as much representation. Certainly enough to get Amensty once and Obama is trying for all he's worth to give them amnesty again.
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