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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Irrelevant. The unions have outlived their purpose, and have been made obsolete by the laws they pushed for in the 30's and 50's.

    I guess that depends on how much one values a strong working class:

    "Many business leaders claim that labor unions have out lived their usefulness and are unnecessary to today's economy. These corporate commanders fail to realize that without labor unions, most of their customers would not be able to afford their products. Many CEO's claim that labor unions force them to raise prices in order to pay the salaries and benefits demanded by organizations like UAW and AFL-CIO. Without labor unions, though, many of the people who buy their products would be languishing in the poverty stricken lower income brackets.

    Labor unions helped to raise the standard of living for millions of people during the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries through better wages, employer provided health care, and benefits like child care spending accounts and retirement accounts. These benefits would not have been provided without the work done by labor unions.

    Labor unions have never been popular with corporate America. Many early labor leaders were prosecuted, harassed or gave their lives for the labor movement in the United States. Some strikers were subjected to fire hoses, attack dogs and armed guards. These sacrifices Americans see that laws were needed to protect American workers.

    Those sentiments led to child labor laws, minimum wage laws, the forty hour work week, and Occupational Safety oversight. If labor unions were to disappear the way corporate America wishes they would, lobbyists from those wealthy corporations would descend upon Washington D.C. These lobbyists would spend billions of dollars ensuring that the progress made by labor unions would erode. Laws protecting American workers would be repealed and without unions, American workers would not be able to have a voice in the political process. "

    There Would Be No Middle Class Without Unions. - Nerdyjen - Open Salon
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    In the northeast there is very little difference between the unions and the mafia, they are the same
    What a bunch of bull! HOW is the union like the mafia, and to which union (s) are you are referring?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What a bunch of bull! HOW is the union like the mafia, and to which union (s) are you are referring?
    Threats of violence, actual acts of violence. intimidation. the two are very similar

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Threats of violence, actual acts of violence. intimidation. the two are very similar
    Oh really? Do you have proof of your allegations or are you just talking out of your butt hole?

    And the NE is full of all kinds of unions. To which are you referring?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What a bunch of bull! HOW is the union like the mafia, and to which union (s) are you are referring?
    I have heard too many stories from too many people from too many places to believe that the Unions proper are unaware of what their members do to harass and intimidate non-union workers and scabs. Whether or not it is an official tactic or even approved by the unions proper, they are judged by the people they represent. The more invested people become in companies via their retirement portfolios, the harder time unions are going to have. That is just the reality of the evolving market.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh really? Do you have proof of your allegations or are you just talking out of your butt hole?

    And the NE is full of all kinds of unions. To which are you referring?
    The violent ones.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have heard too many stories from too many people from too many places to believe that the Unions proper are unaware of what their members do to harass and intimidate non-union workers and scabs. Whether or not it is an official tactic or even approved by the unions proper, they are judged by the people they represent. The more invested people become in companies via their retirement portfolios, the harder time unions are going to have. That is just the reality of the evolving market.
    Like what? Hold signs and yell scab? Give me a break!

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    The violent ones.
    Oooo, the violent ones. OMG! That's so scary! Just what I thought. You have nothing.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    You guys just hate unions. It's like a cuss word to you guys. It doesn't matter what kind of union it is or what it does for it's members. You already have your minds made up. Shame, really.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh really? Do you have proof of your allegations or are you just talking out of your butt hole?

    And the NE is full of all kinds of unions. To which are you referring?
    Have you seen the recent news about the independent electrical contractor in Ohio that was shot by a union vandal who was confronted while spray painting the word "Scab" on his victim's SUV? Don't count on reading about it in the Washington Post or the New York Times. But can you imagine the press eruption that would follow the shooting of, say, a political campaign worker by a rival party member spouting vicious slogans?

    What makes it socially acceptable to harass, intimidate, vandalize, beat up, and even shoot someone because they are willing to do a job for a wage that you are not willing to accept? Despite epic animosity, Americans across the ideological spectrum rightly speak out against acts of political violence. Yet why do so many of us accept, and even condone, a special exception for union workers whose motives are purely economic? What is it that is so noble about giving union bosses monopoly control over certain professions that we accept it when they break heads?

    Why do we accept Union Violence?
    Is it because union violence holds a hallowed place in our educational pedagogy? Every school kid is raised on romantic stories of the birth of organized labor during the industrial revolution when underpaid, overworked mine and steel workers rose up to demand safer working conditions along with a decent wage. Most educated people can recite the labor side of the Homestead Strike story, citing it as an example of justifiable violence against an intransigent management that attempted to use Pinkertons to protect company property. Funny that these same educated people don't know that local police refused to evict militant strikers that had taken over a plant threatening to burn it down, or that the National Guard had to be called out to restore order after the Pinkertons had their heads blown off.

    Regardless of whether you think the deplorable working conditions of the industrial revolution justified arson and murder, the Homestead Strike occurred in 1892. What possible relation does it bear to modern electrical contractors or call center operators?

    Things sure turned ugly fast in the recent Verizon strike. The Associated Press reported 70 acts of sabotage in the first week. A New Jersey judge had to issue an injunction banning members of the Communications Workers of America from "Dropping, spreading, throwing, placing or otherwise causing nails, glass, cinder block, spikes, feces, clubs, rocks, screws, or puncture devices of any kind, or other object or debris to be thrown or strewn in, on, or about Verizon's driveways, parking lots, entrances, exits, vehicles and adjoining roads to any of Verizon's property or at any work site." Investigative reporters may be nowhere to be seen, but thanks to cell phone cameras some nasty videos are beginning to pop up on the web.

    According to the National Institute for Labor Relations Research there have been 4,400 recorded acts of labor violence since 1991. The Teamsters lead the pack with 454, as one would expect from an organization once infiltrated by organized crime. The Teamsters have plenty of company, yet few offenders are called to account. In the Homestead tradition, law enforcement tends to melt away when a union goes on a rampage. Barely three percent of violent crimes committed by union members lead to an arrest or conviction.

    This can only happen due to public acceptance. If violent behavior on the part of unions was met with the same kind of opprobrium meted out to child molesters it would disappear in a heartbeat. Let's face it, these are our neighbors. In all other respects they are normal people. They would never dream of walking into a supermarket and beating up the cashier if she charged more for a can of soup than what some union boss determined was the "right" price. Yet these same people, when dealing with differences of opinion over labor prices, think nothing of becoming raging hooligans, or worse. The only way to make them ashamed of their violent behavior is to name and shame them.

    Why Do We Accept Union Violence? By Bill Frezza | Field & Stream

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