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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You cannot simply terminate the striking workers and bring in entirely new workers.
    The business is not shut down like you stated either
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The business is not shut down like you stated either
    It certainly can be, especially if new workers refuse to cross the picket line. Unions are also known to terrorize non-union scab workers. Businesses ought to be able to say, "our contract with your union is over, we're not renewing it, either come to work as a non-union worker or go find another job".
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It certainly can be, especially if new workers refuse to cross the picket line. Unions are also known to terrorize non-union scab workers. Businesses ought to be able to say, "our contract with your union is over, we're not renewing it, either come to work as a non-union worker or go find another job".
    EconPapers: SOME EMPIRICAL EFFECTS OF USING PERMANENT STRIKER REPLACEMENTS


    By the looks of this paper permanent replacement workers are allowed and used
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Example


    I did not want to join a union so instead of working at Ford, I got a job at Honda

    Such fascism
    Sorry dude, but your advocating for legal rent seeking.
    Mandating union membership, as a condition of employment is BS.

    Often it's the union, who imposes this on the employer, as part of the contract.
    You're just dancing around the issue.

    Union membership should not, be associated with X company, but should be a general membership outside the business proper.
    That would make it correctly voluntary, rather than compulsory.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    EconPapers: SOME EMPIRICAL EFFECTS OF USING PERMANENT STRIKER REPLACEMENTS

    By the looks of this paper permanent replacement workers are allowed and used
    Did you read the abstract?

    "This study uses survey data to examine issues related to legislation that would bar employers from permanently replacing striking workers. Hiring permanent replacements does not significantly affect the proportion of full capacity at which the employer operates struck facilities but significantly decreases the proportion of bargaining unit members who get back their jobs after a strike. More controversially, firms hiring permanent replacements obtain less favorable collective bargaining contracts than do firms that do not hire permanent replacements"
    The point is, there will be no bargaining and no contracts if you terminate the striking workers permanently and just hire new ones.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    If a firm hiring permanent replacements obtains less favorable cb contracts than those who don't, isn't it worse off?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If a firm hiring permanent replacements obtains less favorable cb contracts than those who don't, isn't it worse off?
    It a firm goes from unionized workers to non-unionized workers, there is no more collective bargaining.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    How does it benefit a firm to obtain less favorable bargaining contracts?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How does it benefit a firm to obtain less favorable bargaining contracts?
    It didn't say less favorable bargaining, it said less favorable COLLECTIVE bargaining. The second can only be done with a union. If you no longer have a union, no such thing.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry dude, but your advocating for legal rent seeking.
    Mandating union membership, as a condition of employment is BS.

    Often it's the union, who imposes this on the employer, as part of the contract.
    Of course it normally is a requirement of unions regarding contracts.
    You're just dancing around the issue.

    Union membership should not, be associated with X company, but should be a general membership outside the business proper.
    That would make it correctly voluntary, rather than compulsory.
    And totally useless as a union, unable to perform any of the general duties that unions typically are expected to perform. If I was not working at Ford, and instead working at Honda being part of a union would serve absolutely no purspose. It would not help negotiate a contract, handle work greviences, be able to organize a strike if it was desired
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