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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
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    Given that only 7% of American jobs are union jobs, I'm afraid that doesn't carry any water.
    Given that only 7% of American jobs are union jobs, I'm afraid that your assertion that the only thing standing between us and complete monopoly-man domination doesn't carry any water.

    The fact is, the unions want the government to protect their ability to call "dibs" on entire sectors of labor. They're lazy. They don't want to do the hard work required to actually win the support of the people. If Joe Worker's life will be improved by joining the union, he will join the union. Humans are selfish, and they will do what improves their life. Right now, most people's lives won't be improved by joining the union, and as such, they choose not to. For the union to jump in and make them join anyway is insane.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Given that only 7% of American jobs are union jobs, I'm afraid that your assertion that the only thing standing between us and complete monopoly-man domination doesn't carry any water.

    The fact is, the unions want the government to protect their ability to call "dibs" on entire sectors of labor. They're lazy. They don't want to do the hard work required to actually win the support of the people. If Joe Worker's life will be improved by joining the union, he will join the union. Humans are selfish, and they will do what improves their life. Right now, most people's lives won't be improved by joining the union, and as such, they choose not to. For the union to jump in and make them join anyway is insane.
    Bull

    In the US starting a union at a company that does not have one is nearly impossible due to company actions that include firing people, threats of job loss and actually shutting down units that did organize and form a union. If I recall correctly the only Walmart stores that had unions certified ( I believe in Quebec) closed within a few months, other times when meat cutters formed a union the meat cutting position was eliminated

    I am sure that if Walmart had a union, and people could join it without fear of being fired a significant number of walmart employees would
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Sounds like the unions should do a better job of negotiating. Unions are there to provide a counter balance. I'm for unions, but no one has give me a good reason why people need to be forced into paying unions that don't want to be in them.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Bull

    In the US starting a union at a company that does not have one is nearly impossible due to company actions that include firing people, threats of job loss and actually shutting down units that did organize and form a union. If I recall correctly the only Walmart stores that had unions certified ( I believe in Quebec) closed within a few months, other times when meat cutters formed a union the meat cutting position was eliminated

    I am sure that if Walmart had a union, and people could join it without fear of being fired a significant number of walmart employees would
    Sounds like our government should do a better job of protecting the rights of employees to form unions. In no way does that require compulsory union membership.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Sounds like our government should do a better job of protecting the rights of employees to form unions. In no way does that require compulsory union membership.
    It is not compulsory to join a union in the US, it is a choice that is made by people who choose to work at a company that requires joining a union as a condition of working there.7

    Dont want to be part of a union, dont work at a company that requires it, work at Walmart instead
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is not compulsory to join a union in the US, it is a choice that is made by people who choose to work at a company that requires joining a union as a condition of working there.7

    Dont want to be part of a union, dont work at a company that requires it, work at Walmart instead
    If you're in a career that is heavily unionized in a non-right-to-work state, it is almost impossible to get a job without joining a union. You peddle your BS about "well they should just go somewhere else", but most people can't afford to uproot their entire lives and move somewhere else, they'll end up just paying the dues and dealing with the union's BS.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If you're in a career that is heavily unionized in a non-right-to-work state, it is almost impossible to get a job without joining a union. You peddle your BS about "well they should just go somewhere else", but most people can't afford to uproot their entire lives and move somewhere else, they'll end up just paying the dues and dealing with the union's BS.
    With the possible exception of construction trades and working for large contractors there are no careers in the US like that anymore

    If you are in the construction trades you can start your own small business instead
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    With the possible exception of construction trades and working for large contractors there are no careers in the US like that anymore

    If you are in the construction trades you can start your own small business instead
    How many poor people can afford to start their own business? Luckily it's become less and less necessary to join a union just to get a job. I see that as progress, you seem to see it as defeat. Unions are a great idea, but forcing them as a condition of employment is despicable.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    How many poor people can afford to start their own business? Luckily it's become less and less necessary to join a union just to get a job. I see that as progress, you seem to see it as defeat. Unions are a great idea, but forcing them as a condition of employment is despicable.
    Depends on the industry. Try getting a job in Hollywood without belonging to a union. Or an automaker. There are many industries which are so completely owned by the unions that you cannot get a job without handing the union money.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Depends on the industry. Try getting a job in Hollywood without belonging to a union. Or an automaker. There are many industries which are so completely owned by the unions that you cannot get a job without handing the union money.
    Precisely my point. Unions can be a good thing, but they need it needs to be a completely voluntary. Imposing the union will on someone who wants nothing to do with it is fascism at its best.
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