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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I am not in a union.

    Currently I am in a management position (technical), at a company that does have a union (teamsters) which I have not been a part of.

    As for Ford or GM, they could still require joining the union as a condition of working there. Especially if the union runs the pension plan
    Ah, so you just like to have your cake and eat it too? You've decided to not be in the union, but you want unions to be able to force people to pay them. Quite hypocritical.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ah, so you just like to have your cake and eat it too? You've decided to not be in the union, but you want unions to be able to force people to pay them. Quite hypocritical.
    Where is this force you are talking about?

    Everyone in the company I work at who is in the union has choice to work there or not. If they dont work there they dont have to be part of the union. They have the freedom to accept the position or no, if they accept the position they have to join the union, as part of the contract with the company. If they do not want to be part of the union, they have the freedom to find a different job.

    As for cake?

    I do not enjoy some of the benifits the union gets like shift differential, double time after 4 hrs of overtime, dinner money after 2 hrs of overtime. Of course I get paid more, and have a better retirement program
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yes, you sure are. I'm calling the pro-union types in this thread that support mandatory union membership fascists. You're trying to strong arm money out of citizens that want nothing to do with you. If your union would offer something that would benefit their lives, they would join it. Right to work was a major blow to shakedown practices of many unions.
    Well, it might interest you to know that I live in a right to work state and the average wage here is below the national average. When I was younger I worked for a company here in Utah that paid low wages and long hours with no overtime and no benefits. When I moved to California I got a union job doing the same work and got paid 4x as much plus benefits which included pension and healthcare. Yes Virginia, the union does benefit our lives.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Slow one, there are other contributors to the bottom line besides picking peas.
    Yes, you can be easily replaced with a pea picker who is willing to accept lower wages than you and if you want to compete, you too will have to accept lower wages. There's your bottomline, pea picker.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, it might interest you to know that I live in a right to work state and the average wage here is below the national average. When I was younger I worked for a company here in Utah that paid low wages and long hours with no overtime and no benefits. When I moved to California I got a union job doing the same work and got paid 4x as much plus benefits which included pension and healthcare. Yes Virginia, the union does benefit our lives.
    Seems like a no-brainer then. If the benefits are so obvious, why do you have to force people to join?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Seems like a no-brainer then. If the benefits are so obvious, why do you have to force people to join?
    The benefits wouldn't exist if it weren't for the unions. For a no brainer, you seem to have a mental block about how unions work and benefit people. Again, no one forced me to work for a union company in California, but in right to work state of Utah I was forced to work non-union because the state made it difficult if not impossible for the union to organize here.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The benefits wouldn't exist if it weren't for the unions. For a no brainer, you seem to have a mental block about how unions work and benefit people. Again, no one forced me to work for a union company in California, but in right to work state of Utah I was forced to work non-union because the state made it difficult if not impossible for the union to organize here.
    That's the difference though. You were lucky enough to find a union job that greatly benefitted you, and you made the decision yourself. You on the other hand are trying to make that decision for everybody else. Most people who join a union will not make 4x what they did before, otherwise everyone would be beating down the door to do it. Why is it that Germany can have such high union membership, but have a federal law that mandates it must be 100% voluntary?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It certainly is not a violation of that right

    If you want to work at a specific company and the company offered you a job, with the condition of joining a union, you are not forced to work there, you can freely decide to take the job which has the condition of joining a union or not. Remember it is not your job, it is a position for employement offered to you by the company which can apply certain restrictions and conditions of employement
    It is just as much of a violation of my right to freedom of association as people claim that it is for that woman that was told to go home because she wasn't wearing the proper BK attire due to her religion. If an employer must accomodate a persons religious rights then they certainly must accomodate my right to associate with who I want so long as it does not affect thier companies profits. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Now besides that, what if an employer does want to hire non-union employees? Why can't they? Oh that's right. Because if they attempt to then Unions claim that the Employer is trying to Union Bust and takes them to court.

    Unions Force companies into contracts. If a Union forms and tries to "negotiate" a contract but the company refuses the contract what happens? One of two things depending on the circumstances. 1: The Union goes on strike. Hurting the companies profits. During this time the Company is not allowed to fire those on strike or hire replacements...even temporary replacements. Or 2: The employer gets accused of trying to Union Bust. Again hurting the Companies profits by making them pay lawyers and eventually a settlement since more often than not the court sides with the Union. (that whole pesky freedom of association thing which is only touted when it suits union bosses and is totally ignored when it goes against them) Due to this the Company must eventually capitulate and inevitably part of that contract forbids the company from hiring non-union workers. So its not really the company which is forbidding the non-union worker from getting hired. It is the Union. Which means instead of sueing the Company for not hiring me I would sue the Union for forcing the Company to not hire those that do not want to join a union. Because it is the Union...not the company...which is forbidding both My right to associate with who I want and the Companies right to associate with who they want to. Remember, Contracts cannot generally interfere with peoples rights. For instance a contract cannot excuse murdering someone and thereby taking away thier right to life.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, if your new job is competing with union labor and benefits, then why would they pay you less than what a union job pays? The union is setting the standard for your wages. Without the union you can be sure you'd be making a lot less with no benefits whatsoever.
    They compete with other non-union companies. Without the union, I would still be making the same, and getting the same benefits, and following the same safety regulations because all but the pay is mandated by law. My wage is determined by my skill set, and the market. The union is an obsolete parasite now.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, you can be easily replaced with a pea picker who is willing to accept lower wages than you and if you want to compete, you too will have to accept lower wages. There's your bottomline, pea picker.
    Pea pickers are general labor slow one. Performance based people with skill are not in this category, now go collect the carts at Walmart pea picker.

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