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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Funny, because I wrote you an entire post explaining about Germany. How they have higher union membership, their workers are paid more, and yet it's all entirely 100% voluntary. Your whole case has been that it just HAS to be mandatory, or it'll die, yet I can show country after country where that simply isn't true. The truth is that the unions need to change to provide something that will actually improve the quality of life of the members. Forcing anybody to join your club is rather fascist of you.
    You did? Was it anytime in the last 12 hours?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    You did? Was it anytime in the last 12 hours?
    Yes, post #248 of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    To all the union fascists trying to force people to join organizations they don't want to join, then subsequently force them to pay for it, why don't you check out unions in Germany?

    Not only is union participation substantially higher, their unions are strong enough that there is no minimum wage in Germany, yet the average union worker makes more than their American counterparts. For instance, a German auto worker makes about ~$67/hr, while the average American auto worker makes ~$33/hr.

    You know what makes this special? Unions in Germany are 100% voluntary in every aspect. The unions have to strive to represent the people, not force people who don't want to be there.

    Produce a union that people want to join, and they will. Stop ****ing crying and whining about nobody wanting to be in your club, it's YOUR FAULT.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold: Why not allow such a thing? If a union is truely for the Working Class as they claim then it shouldn't be a problem. Getting butt sore because a non-union member benefits from unions also is just about greed imo.

    I know that if I had the money, and tried to get a job at a company that was controlled by a union and I was denied that job because I refused to join the union I would fight them. I have a right to associate with who I want and being denied a job because I do not want to associate with a union is a violation of that right.
    It certainly is not a violation of that right

    If you want to work at a specific company and the company offered you a job, with the condition of joining a union, you are not forced to work there, you can freely decide to take the job which has the condition of joining a union or not. Remember it is not your job, it is a position for employement offered to you by the company which can apply certain restrictions and conditions of employement
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yes, post #248 of this thread.
    That's why I didn't see it. Reading the article it also seems to be a culture clash aswell.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It certainly is not a violation of that right

    If you want to work at a specific company and the company offered you a job, with the condition of joining a union, you are not forced to work there, you can freely decide to take the job which has the condition of joining a union or not. Remember it is not your job, it is a position for employement offered to you by the company which can apply certain restrictions and conditions of employement
    I'm not going to go as far to say it's a right, it's just a horrifically shady practice. There are some career fields where it would be near impossible to get a job without joining a union. I totally get the benefits of a union, and I think in a lot of cases they really are a great thing. If unions are so awesome, why does it have to be mandatory?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm not going to go as far to say it's a right, it's just a horrifically shady practice. There are some career fields where it would be near impossible to get a job without joining a union. I totally get the benefits of a union, and I think in a lot of cases they really are a great thing. If unions are so awesome, why does it have to be mandatory?
    It has been made mandatory in certain states because those not in a union in the same company generally gain the benifits of being in a union, without having to pay the union dues.


    They will most work under the same contract, have the same benifits, the same right to arbitration all negiotiated by the union and the company
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It has been made mandatory in certain states because those not in a union in the same company generally gain the benifits of being in a union, without having to pay the union dues.


    They will most work under the same contract, have the same benifits, the same right to arbitration all negiotiated by the union and the company
    So you think the only reason most Americans are disgusted by unions are because of the dues? Try to peal the onion here a bit.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you think the only reason most Americans are disgusted by unions are because of the dues? Try to peal the onion here a bit.
    False premise: In U.S., Labor Union Approval Steady at 52%

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you think the only reason most Americans are disgusted by unions are because of the dues? Try to peal the onion here a bit.
    Of course not

    Some are jeolous that union members make so much money

    Some consider it to be socialism

    Some are upset at the strikes

    Some in management are upset at whatr can be restrictive working regulations

    Some are upset at what can make the company uncompetitive

    Some are upset at the corruption in some unions (past or present, ie Teamsters)

    Some are upsert at the political donations unions make to political parties they are opposed to


    I expect that of the above reasons, the higher wages/benifits, political donations and the believe it is socialism are the biggest reasons of dislike from the majority of people (non management, non owner/large investors)
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    To all the union fascists trying to force people to join organizations they don't want to join, then subsequently force them to pay for it, why don't you check out unions in Germany?
    I don't see anyone forcing you to join a union. In fact, you seem intent on trying to force people not to join a union.

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