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    9 10.98%
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    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're going off the basis of the theoretical function of a union. I agree with the theoretical function, I think it's a great idea for workers to voluntarily band together to negotiate better working conditions and wages. However, most people end up finding out that it's more of a pain to be in the union, and the minor benefits don't outweigh the costs.

    If the unions want to remain a part of our society, sounds like they should get their **** together.
    Thats funny because our country is a union, it's a union of states that negotiated and signed a contract with the federal government "to form a more perfect union." Any territory that wanted to become a state had to join the union and adhere to the contract aka the Constitution that the original states negotiated with the federal government for. A labor or skill union operates on the same principles that this country was founded on.

    Ergo, no one is forcing anyone to live and work in the United States, but if they want to then they have to pay taxes......just as no one is forcing anyone to work at a union company job, but if they want to then they have to pay dues.

    From what I've observed, most people who gripe about unions have either never been in one and/or don't really understand how unions work or even how they benefit people, including the people doing the griping.

    History has shown that unions and business work best when there is a balance of power between the two. When either side gains more power over the other then it hurts the ones who have less power. Right now business seems to be gaining more power over the unions and it doesn't look good for anyone who needs to work to earn a living whether they are union or not.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats funny because our country is a union, it's a union of states that negotiated and signed a contract with the federal government "to form a more perfect union." Any territory that wanted to become a state had to join the union and adhere to the contract aka the Constitution that the original states negotiated with the federal government for. A labor or skill union operates on the same principles that this country was founded on.

    Ergo, no one is forcing anyone to live and work in the United States, but if they want to then they have to pay taxes......just as no one is forcing anyone to work at a union company job, but if they want to then they have to pay dues.

    From what I've observed, most people who gripe about unions have either never been in one and/or don't really understand how unions work or even how they benefit people, including the people doing the griping.

    History has shown that unions and business work best when there is a balance of power between the two. When either side gains more power over the other then it hurts the ones who have less power. Right now business seems to be gaining more power over the unions and it doesn't look good for anyone who needs to work to earn a living whether they are union or not.
    Germany is heavily unionized. Their unemployment is ultra low, and their wages are high. As I stated, unions are a good idea. However, American unions have been off the mark for quite some time. They need to get their **** together if they want to continue to exist.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Germany is heavily unionized. Their unemployment is ultra low, and their wages are high. As I stated, unions are a good idea. However, American unions have been off the mark for quite some time. They need to get their **** together if they want to continue to exist.
    There are a lot more unions in the US than there are in Germany and they're not all the same. In the US some are government unions and some are private sector unions. Some represent labor such as janitors and some represent skilled professionals such as engineers. Germany is a smaller country and it is easier for them to organize, but without checking it would be hard for me to say much about their unions one way or the other.


    As it is with business and private sector unions working best when there is an equilibrium of power ....so it is with the federal/state government and their employee unions. And while I believe in unions I am torn whether or not government employee unions are good for government and the public. Because as I mentioned before it's not good for either side of the equasion to have the upper hand over the other, but with government unions it's a little different because if they get the upper the hand then it cripples the government and the public that depends on it. And if government gets the upper hand then they are exploiting their employees. So I'm still torn and mulling it over about government unions.

    But what I find appalling is business using the government to gain power over private sector unions. It's fine when government acts as arbitrator between the two sides, but to act as the sole instigator for one side to break the back of the other is wrong, imo. And whats worse, is that Chrysler had just negotiated a fair contract with the UAW and said they didn't ask the GOP Michigan legislature to do anything. But the Michigan GOP just decide to take it upon themselves to break the back of the union. That was just wrong, wrong, wrong.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But what I find appalling is business using the government to gain power over private sector unions. It's fine when government acts as arbitrator between the two sides, but to act as the sole instigator for one side to break the back of the other is wrong, imo. And whats worse, is that Chrysler had just negotiated a fair contract with the UAW and said they didn't ask the GOP Michigan legislature to do anything. But the Michigan GOP just decide to take it upon themselves to break the back of the union. That was just wrong, wrong, wrong.
    But they didn't break the backs of unions. They just made it to where the individual could choose to join a union voluntarily or not join. If that breaks the union back because people don't want to be a part of the union then there is something wrong with the union itself. If they addressed that then maybe people would voluntarily sign up to be a part of the union, thereby making them strong again.

    People will voluntarily join something that benefits them. If they think that its not going to benefit them then they won't join. Its as simple as that.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You are right it's the unions tearing the country apart, it's the unions making it difficult for American companies to compete it's not the 75 cents per hour foreign worker wages that make it hard for American workers to compete.
    Nope. as a matter of fact scrap and transportation eats up that savings. Unions are for the weak minded.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Nope. as a matter of fact scrap and transportation eats up that savings. Unions are for the weak minded.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If most unions weren't corrupt and damaging to the company, more people would want to be in one. Nobody is stopping anybody from forming or being in a union. It just so turns out that to most people the alternative is better. Sounds like the union's fault.
    How is being one of the poorest states in the best interest of the working class?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is being one of the poorest states in the best interest of the working class?

    So by some kind of magic, when right to work was recently passed, the economies of those states suddenly tanked?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is being one of the poorest states in the best interest of the working class?

    Not low on the reason for these states being Right-To-Work is their desire to attract more industry so they won't continue to be among the eight poorest states. Right-To-Work laws didn't make them poor. Lack of industry and infrastructure made them poor.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So by some kind of magic, when right to work was recently passed, the economies of those states suddenly tanked?
    They have been right to work states for years, just as they have been poor for years.
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