Thank you, Quazi!
Unions just set a wage standard for certain skill levels, it doesn't prevent you from making more money or negotiating for a higher salary on your own. In fact, it's encouraged. As you gain more experience and gain more skills and your skills are in demand then it stands to reason that you are going to make more money whether you are union or not. The union dioesn't prevent you from making more money, but it does help prevent you from being exploited and making less money. So your argument against unions holding you back and making less money, just doesn't hold water.
I am in support of unions (mostly private sector). I think it offers leverage for workers who would otherwise not have any. I have an ex who works for LIUNA (Laborers International Union of North America). He has told me that every job he used to have for non-unionized construction companies in the past were god awful, that they made the guys do dangerous things, that they took many "short-cuts," that their equipment was sub par, that they would try to screw him out of his paychecks, and he would actually sometimes have to hunt down bosses to get paid, and then get treated like CRAP on top of that. That is why he decided to pay the initiation fees and union dues and join the union. The work can be patchy sometimes, but he says that he is treated fairly, has always gotten his paycheck on time, gets regular raises, and the union makes sure that the job sites are safe too.
The union jobs that both you and Maggie are describing sound like low level skill jobs that anyone with a HS education or less could do. So lets say if someone on the cup cake factory line had a talent for wrapping cupcakes and went too fast, then the company would expect everyone on the line to have a talent for wrapping cupcakes and work faster than they could realistically handle. But if thats your only talent then be happy you have a job with a higher than minimum wage at all....because minimum wage or less is what the cupcake wrappers would have been making without a union and to my knowledge there aren't too many companies that need cupcake wrappers.
I have been in unions off and on since the 80's. Never had much use for them, I like to work always show up and do a good job. I have been in my current union for about 15-18 years and I figured this one probably wasn't worth much either. Then I transferred to what is pretty much my dream job about 5 years ago. Problem my boss is bat **** crazy. The union fights with her so I don't have to. I think that is worth all the union dues I have paid all those years. Sometimes management is nuts. I am really not sure why the union almost literally scares her, it is great.
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I belonged to one for about 8 years, and not have been in one now for about 10 years.
While part of the union, (UFCW) I know that I was getting paid more then directly comparable jobs in a non union company. The pay was good, but it was never going to improve from what I was getting when I quit, and I believe it has gone down since then. Generally because competition from non union companies that have expanded into the area requiring the company to drop wages to remain competitive. The non union companies still pay less then the company I worked for does now
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