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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Construction is terrible. 20 years ago an American mason could make $20 an hour... and given that construction can be irregular work, he needed to be paid well.

    More recently, an American concrete mason bid $7.50 an hour for a job... and didn't get it. He was underbid by a Mexican immigrant mason.

    This sort of thing does not endear either employers or immigrant workers to blue-collar Americans. They're putting profits ahead of the well being of their fellow citizens.
    OMG. That is horrible. Just horrible.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because these days employers don't seem to respect merit, mostly.... just the bottom line and nothing else.
    Not just the bottom line...the positive perception of political correctness is also a plus.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Construction is terrible. 20 years ago an American mason could make $20 an hour... and given that construction can be irregular work, he needed to be paid well.

    More recently, an American concrete mason bid $7.50 an hour for a job... and didn't get it. He was underbid by a Mexican immigrant mason.

    This sort of thing does not endear either employers or immigrant workers to blue-collar Americans. They're putting profits ahead of the well being of their fellow citizens.
    I don't know about masonry, but a lot of construction jobs are taken up by illegal immigrants too.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    OMG. That is horrible. Just horrible.

    It is. Globalization is forcing American blue-collar workers to compete with workers in impoverished countries that think making $4,000 a year is big money. You can't support a small family on $4k a year in America.

    Unless you live in a carboard shack and eat only white rice, and that sure as hell isn't anything like the American Dream.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know why everyone thinks union workers only work as fast as the slowest worker. The workers (at least with LIUNA) get in trouble for slacking, just like any other job, the supervisor will tell them to get to work. I guess all unions aren't the same.
    They aren't. And where they're located matters too.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah. It's amazing what you can do when the rest of the industrialized world has been bombed to rubble, and you are the only manufacturer with a populace that hasn't been starved to death/shot at/burned out of their homes/watched their cities and factories turn into ash.

    However, you may be interested to learn that you are also a bit off. Union membership peaked in 1945: the expansionary years of the mid 50's through the 1960's were taking place in the beginning of a long union decline. A decline that, not coincidentally, corresponded with the reintroduction of competition from abroad as other nations rebuilt their industrial bases. Incidentally, the growth from the 50's and 60's mostly was considered such a golden era because it contrasted with the previous era, which was marked by the growth of unions and the resulting depression that they helped to prolong.



    Ah. This is the magical theory of money, where the price of consumer goods do not include labor cost, and companies just get money from magic money trees.

    In realityland, unfortunately, when you artificially increase the price of labor above it's market (supply/demand) value, you increase the price of the good or service being produced without increasing its' quality, meaning that the company that is doing the producing is going to be destroyed by the competition. Just as has happened to the US Auto Industry.
    The right-wing New Deal conniption fit - Salon.com,

    With that lets move to the real problem that faced the UAW it was PPM "piss poor management" unions negotiate their wages and benefits if the companies involved paid more then they could and still make a profit then it was the company CEO's who were responsible, lets not stop there managements failure to upgrade their assembly lines, managements failure to produce a vehicle that was competitive with foreign manufacturers in things like dependability and gas mileage. Union workers assemble the vehicle they do not design it nor are they responsible for the reliability of the vehicle.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is. Globalization is forcing American blue-collar workers to compete with workers in impoverished countries that think making $4,000 a year is big money. You can't support a small family on $4k a year in America.

    Unless you live in a carboard shack and eat only white rice, and that sure as hell isn't anything like the American Dream.
    I signed off and got to thinking about this.

    We're so screwed up. I wouldn't be surprised (excuse my cynicism) if that guy and his family get Medicaid, food stamps, and other entitlements...plus gets back every penny he pays to the Federal government in the form of income tax. If he has children, he probably gets back several thousand dollars he never even paid in. Legal as pie.

    OMFG. What are we to do?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I signed off and got to thinking about this.

    We're so screwed up. I wouldn't be surprised (excuse my cynicism) if that guy and his family get Medicaid, food stamps, and other entitlements...plus gets back every penny he pays to the Federal government in the form of income tax. If he has children, he probably gets back several thousand dollars he never even paid in. Legal as pie.

    OMFG. What are we to do?
    I don't know. Common sense seems to be as dead as Lincoln in DC.

    International trade is supposed to be a net BENEFIT to your nation, not a way of crushing half the population into abject poverty... a little protectionism wouldn't be a bad idea.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Complain all you want, it doesn't alter the fact that when you raise a price for something (like labor), you lower demand.

    With that lets move to the real problem that faced the UAW it was PPM "piss poor management" unions negotiate their wages and benefits if the companies involved paid more then they could and still make a profit then it was the company CEO's who were responsible, lets not stop there managements failure to upgrade their assembly lines, managements failure to produce a vehicle that was competitive with foreign manufacturers in things like dependability and gas mileage. Union workers assemble the vehicle they do not design it nor are they responsible for the reliability of the vehicle.
    I love how the Unions utilize coercion, but it's managements' fault if they let them get away with it

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    a little protectionism wouldn't be a bad idea.
    Yes, it would be. Specifically, it would be a bad idea for those who have the lowest incomes, and are thus least capable of absorbing an increase in the cost of living.

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