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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yep cattle. Public unions are a drain on the taxpayers and private sector unions drive up costs creating another hurdle in a global market. Why are people afraid to work on their own merit?
    Because these days employers don't seem to respect merit, mostly.... just the bottom line and nothing else.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because these days employers don't seem to respect merit, mostly.... just the bottom line and nothing else.
    I sure haven't found that to be true in my working career. The few employers I've had (I've been mostly self-employed) respected me; I found my concerns addressed; got perks I never asked for; got raises I both asked and didn't ask for; and was always promoted to exactly the position I had my eye on.

    You strike me as that same kind of person, Goshin.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I sure haven't found that to be true in my working career. The few employers I've had (I've been mostly self-employed) respected me; I found my concerns addressed; got perks I never asked for; got raises I both asked and didn't ask for; and was always promoted to exactly the position I had my eye on.

    You strike me as that same kind of person, Goshin.
    It USED to be that way. Once upon a time, in every job I worked, I was valued as an employee and my employer treated me like a human being and wanted me to stay and be happy.

    Over the past decade something has changed. For the past five years I've been treated like a dog... not just a dog, a damn mongrel mutt, and I didn't do anything to deserve this. EVERYONE that works for my employer is treated like ****.

    From what I hear this is becoming the common thing.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I totally agree, the two I belonged to protected the weakest members. Stronger more determined members were forced to carry these people, much like what we see today with the Obama administration.
    I did not know the Obama Administration was union. I was a member of a construction local the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Millwrights and a member of the United Chemical Workers of America I was also a plant maintenance superintendent for 25 years.There are good and bad in both union and non union workers. It's up to those in charge to make sure that any employee earns their pay. Skilled craftsmen and women are worth every penny they make, they spend four years going through apprenticeship school to earn their book and learn their trade.

    The republicans are working hard to destroy the unions because they are afraid of organized workers, the old divided we fall united we stand, the republicans want to be in control so they break up the unions. Unions built this country, provided a safer work place, better working conditions, and a fair rate of pay for the membership

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    I have had a lot of experience working alongside union workers and I will never join a union nor work for a company that does not reward individual talent.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Nonsense. The biggest economic boom this country has ever experienced followed the rise of the labor unions. This was no mere coincidence.
    yeah. It's amazing what you can do when the rest of the industrialized world has been bombed to rubble, and you are the only manufacturer with a populace that hasn't been starved to death/shot at/burned out of their homes/watched their cities and factories turn into ash.

    However, you may be interested to learn that you are also a bit off. Union membership peaked in 1945: the expansionary years of the mid 50's through the 1960's were taking place in the beginning of a long union decline. A decline that, not coincidentally, corresponded with the reintroduction of competition from abroad as other nations rebuilt their industrial bases. Incidentally, the growth from the 50's and 60's mostly was considered such a golden era because it contrasted with the previous era, which was marked by the growth of unions and the resulting depression that they helped to prolong.

    The more money the workers earn, the more money they can spend. Labor unions force companies to do what they are unable to do on their own initiative as they compete against other companies, namely, pay an adequate wage to their workers (who are also consumers). Thus it is a win-win situation for everyone, that is until one company decides to outsource its labor to some third-world ****hole where unions are unheard of and workers can be exploited for pennies on the dollar. Then the other companies are forced to follow suit in order to survive.
    Ah. This is the magical theory of money, where the price of consumer goods do not include labor cost, and companies just get money from magic money trees.

    In realityland, unfortunately, when you artificially increase the price of labor above it's market (supply/demand) value, you increase the price of the good or service being produced without increasing its' quality, meaning that the company that is doing the producing is going to be destroyed by the competition. Just as has happened to the US Auto Industry.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by StubbornMoose View Post
    I have had a lot of experience working alongside union workers and I will never join a union nor work for a company that does not reward individual talent.
    I worked both as a union member "10 years " and as a company mechanical superintendent "25 years" I always felt that their should be a super mechanic rate or super employee rate that was awarded by supervision to union or non union workers who were pace setters. Men or women who made a real effort every day. The rate could be awarded and taking away if the individual employee work productivity fell off.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    I don't know why everyone thinks union workers only work as fast as the slowest worker. The workers (at least with LIUNA) get in trouble for slacking, just like any other job, the supervisor will tell them to get to work. I guess all unions aren't the same.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because these days employers don't seem to respect merit, mostly.... just the bottom line and nothing else.
    That's because they think everyone is replaceable in this economy, especially if you work in the construction industry. It has been hit hard from the recession, at least it has here in MA.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's because they think everyone is replaceable in this economy, especially if you work in the construction industry. It has been hit hard from the recession, at least it has here in MA.
    Construction is terrible. 20 years ago an American mason could make $20 an hour... and given that construction can be irregular work, he needed to be paid well.

    More recently, an American concrete mason bid $7.50 an hour for a job... and didn't get it. He was underbid by a Mexican immigrant mason.

    This sort of thing does not endear either employers or immigrant workers to blue-collar Americans. They're putting profits ahead of the well being of their fellow citizens.

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