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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because unionized industries and business survive, right?
    Given the right set of circumstances and market share, unionization can be a viable option and sustainable to boot. The German Auto Industry being the foremost example. That's not to say that the US labor market or auto industry is analogous, but it does throw a monkey wrench in the theory that unionization condemns an industry to insolvency by default.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Given the right set of circumstances and market share, unionization can be a viable option and sustainable to boot. The German Auto Industry being the foremost example. That's not to say that the US labor market or auto industry is analogous, but it does throw a monkey wrench in the theory that unionization condemns an industry to insolvency by default.
    I wouldn't argue by default. In cases of a monopsony I would even argue unionization may be desirable (excepting government service). But the trend is also pretty clear. Unions tend to kill the businesses and industries they attach themselves to.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah? What percent of workers stop paying dues after right-to-work is passed in a state?
    Not a clue off the top of my head, but that's not exactly pertinent to my statement. The poster I was responding to arbitrarily stated that union membership was in fact detrimental and no longer offered anything of value (presumably to consumers of said industry or the employees within.) A patently false statement, unless you make the assumption that all those who lobby for and ardently defend the right to unionize and remain so are simply masochists en masse.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Not a clue off the top of my head, but that's not exactly pertinent to my statement. The poster I was responding to arbitrarily stated that union membership was in fact detrimental and no longer offered anything of value (presumably to consumers of said industry or the employees within.) A patently false statement, unless you make the assumption that all those who lobby for and ardently defend the right to unionize and remain so are simply masochists en masse.
    A monospony is a single purchaser (similar to a monopoly, which is a single seller). I would argue union membership is mostly detrimental, and takes special circumstances to be beneficial - and that is why when states pass right-to-work-laws, people flood out of them.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, without knowing what you do or where you work, your vague antedotal evidence proves nothing.
    And what can you prove? BTW, you didn't respond to the poll. Hopefully you will. I want to know if you're in a union.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A monospony is a single purchaser (similar to a monopoly, which is a single seller). I would argue union membership is mostly detrimental, and takes special circumstances to be beneficial - and that is why when states pass right-to-work-laws, people flood out of them.
    We're mostly in agreement here, especially in regards to Public Sector Unions. I was simply commenting on the foolishness of blanket statements that ignore scores of individuals who actually value their representation.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    We're mostly in agreement here, especially in regards to Public Sector Unions. I was simply commenting on the foolishness of blanket statements that ignore scores of individuals who actually value their representation.
    Fair Nuff. My main qualification to that would be to note the difference between chosen representation and forced representation.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    The post office is going broke because of email. I, like most people, buy stamps once a year for Christmas cards.
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    That is a good point, but look at the Post Office, they are going broke paying pensions they can no longer afford along with medical benefits. Why should be people not be expected to plan for their own futures?
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    when talking basic labor jobs, unions always pay more, when talking skilled performance based careers they pay less. They are for cattle that want to be treated like prize beef.
    Do you have any sort of evidence a union employee is any less productive than nonunion? I am a member of a professional union. My pay and benefits are better and I don't have to fight with my crazy boss, they handle it for me. Cattle huh?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And what can you prove? BTW, you didn't respond to the poll. Hopefully you will. I want to know if you're in a union.
    Well, if I respond to the poll then I can't see the names of who the union members are after I do. I don't know if it's just my computer that does that when I respond to polls or if it happens to everyone. Maybe you can tell me.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Given the right set of circumstances and market share, unionization can be a viable option and sustainable to boot. The German Auto Industry being the foremost example. That's not to say that the US labor market or auto industry is analogous, but it does throw a monkey wrench in the theory that unionization condemns an industry to insolvency by default.
    It would be interesting to see inside a German union.

    In the United States, it appears to me that union/company relations are completely adversarial. Nobody trusts anybody. The interests of the company, which should come first, in my opinion, don't even make a union's priority list, much less the top ten considerations. We see time and time again where a union's unrelenting demands result in a company's destruction. In whose best interest is that?

    I blame union management since if the employer is perceived as fair, the union's perceived value goes down.
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