View Poll Results: How many here belong to a union?

Voters
82. You may not vote on this poll
  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

    24 29.27%
Page 12 of 78 FirstFirst ... 210111213142262 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 773

Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

  1. #111
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,114

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Yeah, because non-union shops always pay better, right?
    Because unionized industries and business survive, right?

  2. #112
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    I do not consider taking those things when I have not earned them to be a form of self-improvement. I consider that to be a form of self-debasement.
    Do you consider them a form of self-improvement when you have earned them?

    As stated, if I was being compensated less than I deserved I would go elsewhere.
    What if you had no place left to go? What if you were being a paid a "fair market wage" no matter where worked and were still barely subsisting?

    If no one else could offer to compensate me more, then apparently I am not being compensated less than I deserve, as my labor is being compensated correctly relative to its' place on the supply/demand curve.
    Now, that is what I consider to be a form of self-debasement. Despite what you or others may think, you are not a commodity. You are a human being, man! Try to have a little more self-respect.

    "Supply/demand curve"... What are you, kidding me?
    Last edited by Sig; 12-29-12 at 09:07 AM.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  3. #113
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because unionized industries and business survive, right?
    Some capitalists will stop at nothing to exploit human labor, even if it means outsourcing to non-organized labor markets in developing countries, or taking advantage of desperate illegal immigrants who cannot legally organize.

    Doesn't make it right.

    GTG
    Last edited by Sig; 12-29-12 at 09:08 AM.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  4. #114
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    It has nothing to do with that. First off, I don't work in a field that is unionized. And I simply don't support the concept of unions. I think that they used to do a lot of good for workers before labor laws were put into place, but they've become less of a necessity to prevent abuse, and more of a mechanism for unionized employees to get luxuries that non-union employees don't have.
    NEWS FLASH: It was the labor unions which got the labor laws on the books. It is the labor unions which keep labor laws from being completely disregarded.

    "I simply don't support the concept of unions."

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  5. #115
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,114

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Do you consider them a form of self-improvement when you have earned them?
    If i have earned them then either my employer or his competition will seek to leverage me by offering them. The competitor which most closely mirrors worth with compensation will thus have a market advantage.

    What if you had no place left to go? What if you were being a paid a "fair market wage" no matter where worked and were still barely subsisting?
    Then I would seek to change my position by either changing the quality or the nature of my work.

    For example, I was an infantryman. Infantrymen can basically go become firemen or cops, or some form of menial labor. I wanted a higher standard of living for my family, so I earned a masters degree while working full time and became an Analyst. Now my labor is worth much more.

    Now, that is what I consider to be a form of self-debasement.
    On the contrary - that is a statement of self-worth, of self-power, of individual responsibility. That is a statement that I have the ability to alter my conditions through application of my abilities, that is a statement that the world shall treat me primarily as I determine.

    Despite what you or others may think, you are not a commodity. You are a human being, man! Try to have a little more self-respect.
    Yes, I am a human being. However, my worth as a human being is beyond monetary compensation. My labor is what is under discussion here, not my being.

    "Supply/demand curve"... What are you, kidding me?
    Not at all. Labor exists on a supply/demand curve, just like everything else. That's why most new lawyers actually don't get paid that well, but engineers do - because we make a ton of lawyers in this economy, and not that many engineers.

  6. #116
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,114

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Some capitalists will stop at nothing to exploit human labor, even if it means outsourcing to non-organized labor markets in developing countries
    Which has resulted in lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. Those are human beings, and you'll get no complaints from me, except how much faster can we make that process work.

  7. #117
    Anti-Hypocrite
    molten_dragon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Southeast Michigan
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:12 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,351

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    "I simply don't support the concept of unions."

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
    No, I'm quite informed about unions. I work with a lot of people who are part of the UAW, and I know what they do and don't do for their members, and for companies. I'm not sure why you seem to have so much trouble believing that someone can be well informed about unions and still not want to belong to one.

    And unions are not the only things keeping labor laws from being disregarded. There are plenty of places that aren't unionized, and that follow labor laws and safety regulations. There are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions, they aren't common.
    If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

    If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

  8. #118
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Last Seen
    07-16-14 @ 01:18 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    47,571

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, I'm quite informed about unions. I work with a lot of people who are part of the UAW, and I know what they do and don't do for their members, and for companies. I'm not sure why you seem to have so much trouble believing that someone can be well informed about unions and still not want to belong to one.

    And unions are not the only things keeping labor laws from being disregarded. There are plenty of places that aren't unionized, and that follow labor laws and safety regulations. There are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions, they aren't common.
    And there are plenty that DON'T too, and this is more commonplace in certain industries, such as the construction industry. My ex joined LIUNA because he was sick and tired of being crapped on by his employers constantly. They can't get away with that with union members though.

  9. #119
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    2: Unions brought about alot of the changes. Including many of the safety measures that are now law. The minimum wage etc etc. But now that all of those are implemented, including a federal department to report unsafe work areas, unions have become obsolete. Now they are just a drain and not a benefit.
    Chances are if you ask the employees within, you might get a different response.

  10. #120
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,114

    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Chances are if you ask the employees within, you might get a different response.
    Yeah? What percent of workers stop paying dues after right-to-work is passed in a state?

Page 12 of 78 FirstFirst ... 210111213142262 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •