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  • I have worked my whole career while in a union

    9 10.98%
  • I belong to one currently

    15 18.29%
  • I have never and would never join one

    34 41.46%
  • I used to be in one but not now

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Thread: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    And what if you do not "get what you earn"? What if you are paid a pittance for working your ass off?
    Then either my work is low quality (and only worth a pittance), or I am foolishly selling my labor for less than it is worth. In which case, I will happily go work for the competition at higher compensation, and help them take the market share of my former idiotic employer.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Then either my work is low quality (and only worth a pittance), or I am foolishly selling my labor for less than it is worth. In which case, I will happily go work for the competition at higher compensation, and help them take the market share of my former idiotic employer.
    And what if neither is the case? What if you work your ass off and the competition is not offering any better a wage since, like your present employer, is engaged in a race to the bottom in regard to labor costs?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    And what if neither is the case? What if you work your ass off and the competition is not offering any better a wage since, like your present employer, is engaged in a race to the bottom in regard to labor costs?
    Then my labor is apparently worth little, and I need to begin self-improvement; either within or outside of my current occupational ladder.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Then my labor is apparently worth little, and I need to begin self-improvement; either within or outside of my current occupational ladder.
    Yes, self-improvement. Now, you are getting it.

    This is the whole point of collective bargaining: self-improvement.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Yes, self-improvement. Now, you are getting it.

    This is the whole point of collective bargaining: self-improvement.
    Incorrect. The "whole point" of collective bargaining is coercion in order to avoid "self-improvement". If my labor was worth little, I would go self-improve. I wouldn't convince everyone else to threaten the company unless I was compensated more than I deserve.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    There isn't really an option for me to vote for. I've never worked in a unionized job, and probably never will, but I'd join a union if I had to to find work. It wouldn't be my first choice though.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect. The "whole point" of collective bargaining is coercion in order to avoid "self-improvement". If my labor was worth little, I would go self-improve.
    Apparently, you do not consider obtaining a better wage and health benefits as a form of self-improvement.

    I wouldn't convince everyone else to threaten the company unless I was compensated more than I deserve.
    But you might if you were being compensated for less than you deserve.
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There isn't really an option for me to vote for. I've never worked in a unionized job, and probably never will, but I'd join a union if I had to to find work. It wouldn't be my first choice though.
    Yeah, because non-union shops always pay better, right?
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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Apparently, you do not consider obtaining a better wage and health benefits as a form of self-improvement.
    I do not consider taking those things when I have not earned them to be a form of self-improvement. I consider that to be a form of self-debasement.

    But you might if you were being compensated for less than you deserve.

    As stated, if I was being compensated less than I deserved I would go elsewhere. If no one else could offer to compensate me more, then apparently I am not being compensated less than I deserve, as my labor is being compensated correctly relative to its' place on the supply/demand curve.

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    Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Yeah, because non-union shops always pay better, right?
    It has nothing to do with that. First off, I don't work in a field that is unionized. And I simply don't support the concept of unions. I think that they used to do a lot of good for workers before labor laws were put into place, but they've become less of a necessity to prevent abuse, and more of a mechanism for unionized employees to get luxuries that non-union employees don't have.
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