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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%
  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%
  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%

  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
funny the lengths some SSM supporters will go to to deny the very right they so loud bleat for for gays to others that they happen to disagree with
 
funny the lengths some SSM supporters will go to to deny the very right they so loud bleat for for gays to others that they happen to disagree with

Funny how you keep trying to equate gays with other groups that are not gay.
 
And you have proven yourself a buffoon.

There is NOTHING hypocritical about be pro-SSM but not granting marriage rights to a related-by-blood siblings.

Only in your tiny mind is that hypocrisy.

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Knock it off, both of you. Any further stuff like that and expect thread bans and/or points.
 
Funny how you keep trying to equate gays with other groups that are not gay.

funny how you keep trying that strawman. I have never said that gays = polygamists = incest. only that they all share the common trait of being consenting adults and that if you are going to argue that one set of consenting adults should have equal rights concerning marriage...then all groups of consenting adults should have equal rights concerning marriage.
 
These efforts overlook one key difference between gay marriage and polygamous marriage. One permits equality between two married spouses; the other does not. And that in turn means that allowing polygamy would violate not only the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, but also the U.S. obligation under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to “ensure equality of rights and responsibilities of spouses as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.” So important is this right that both the UN Human Rights Committee and the UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) have condemned polygamy in no uncertain terms. It should be “definitely abolished,” the Human Rights Committee ruled, because it violates women’s dignity rights and is an “inadmissible discrimination” against them. Similarly, CEDAW notes that it “contravenes a woman’s right to equality with men” and has “such serious emotional and financial consequences for her and her dependents” that it should be prohibited.

Moreover, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled against federal and state laws that give a wife fewer rights than a husband merely because of her sex, just as does a law permitting a husband to practice polygamy. Whether the law is so explicit that it makes the husband “head and master” of the home with the sole right to control property (Kirchberg v. Feenstra, 450 U.S. 455 (1981)) or denies a wife benefits awarded automatically to a husband, such as welfare benefits if the wife is unemployed (Califano v. Westcott, 443 U.S. 76 (1979)), housing and medical benefits for the wife’s spouse (Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677 (1973)), child-care benefits for a surviving spouse (Weinberger v. Wiesenfeld, 420 U.S. 636 (1975)), or self-care benefits for a surviving spouse (Califano v. Goldfarb, 430 U.S. 199 (1977), and Wengler v. Druggists Mutual Insurance Company, 446 U.S. 142 (1980)), the Court has found violations of the Equal Protection Clause. Even when the rule discriminated against husbands, as in a state law requiring only husbands to pay alimony (Orr v. Orr, 440 U.S. 268 (1979)), the Court has required equality for husband and wife.

Should Polygamy Be Permitted in the United States? | Section of Individual Rights and Responsibilities

I'm shocked that you would malign polygamists like that. Polygamy is not always the abusive polygyny stereotype you seem to think it is. Equal protection logically requires that an institution open to a pair of people be open to group of people as well. If you can have a husband and wife you should be able to have a husband and a husband, or three husbands, or what have you. The association of polygamy with abuse is an offensive stereotype that is every bit as offensive and degrading to polygamists as anything stereotype about gays.

Honestly, winston, look at yourself. It looks incredibly small minded. Just switch the word polygamous with gay in everything you just said and it is clear how intolerant you are being. You're just on the wrong side of progress on this.
 
So - again, for the third time I'll ask:

What are your thoughts on how this thread has evolved?

Disappointed? Relieved? Shocked?

Did you find strength in your stance, or can you potentially see where perhaps you need to re-evaluate your position?
I'll admit that I was surprised to see as many homosexual agenda supporters as I did. Still, I'm fully opposed to same-sex marriage (an arm of the homosexual agenda IMO) and as long as it's a votable issue, I'll be voting against it. I understand that the country is continuously shifting to the Left, but that's still no excuse for me to compromise one of my core beliefs.
 
you have proven you are a hypocrite.

please list the facts that make him an hypocrite, we would all love to read them

please list the facts that make your issues equal rights issues we would all love to here them also

you have been proven wrong over and over again, if you disagree make fools of us all and post some facts.
 
I'll admit that I was surprised to see as many homosexual agenda supporters as I did. Still, I'm fully opposed to same-sex marriage (an arm of the homosexual agenda IMO) and as long as it's a votable issue, I'll be voting against it. I understand that the country is continuously shifting to the Left, but that's still no excuse for me to compromise one of my core beliefs.

That's ok, because it's really a constitutional issue. It's nothing you should be voting on. Gays have a right to marry as a matter of constitutional law.
 
funny how you keep trying that strawman. I have never said that gays = polygamists = incest. only that they all share the common trait of being consenting adults and that if you are going to argue that one set of consenting adults should have equal rights concerning marriage...then all groups of consenting adults should have equal rights concerning marriage.

That is not an argument that will work in a court of law. It is also not a logical argument in that all those groups have pronounced differences.
 
funny how you keep trying that strawman. I have never said that gays = polygamists = incest. only that they all share the common trait of being consenting adults and that if you are going to argue that one set of consenting adults should have equal rights concerning marriage...then all groups of consenting adults should have equal rights concerning marriage.

another example of proving you have no clue what equal rights are
 
That is not an argument that will work in a court of law. It is also not a logical argument in that all those groups have pronounced differences.

That's not an argument that will work in a court of law either! :LOL:
 
That's ok, because it's really a constitutional issue. It's nothing you should be voting on. Gays have a right to marry as a matter of constitutional law.
I think it's cool that you share your opinion, but please don't mistake that for the actual truth, or the law. You need to do some homework.
 
I'll admit that I was surprised to see as many homosexual agenda supporters as I did. Still, I'm fully opposed to same-sex marriage (an arm of the homosexual agenda IMO) and as long as it's a votable issue, I'll be voting against it. I understand that the country is continuously shifting to the Left, but that's still no excuse for me to compromise one of my core beliefs.

An "arm of the homosexual agenda"????

What is that exactly?
 
I think it's cool that you share your opinions, but please don't mistake that for the actual truth, or the law. You need to do some homework.

I know what I'm talking about here. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a constitutional rights issue. The fact that the constitution provides for equal protection under the law entails gay marriage. It's not a matter of opinion.
 

lmao

do you have proof?

ill take yours too, ill take anybody's proof who is uneducated enough on this issue to think hypocrisy is going on and that his example of equal rights is accurate.
 
lmao

do you have proof?

ill take yours too, ill take anybody's proof who is uneducated enough on this issue to think hypocrisy is going on and that his example of equal rights is accurate.

I was pointing out your rather egregious spelling error.
 
I'll admit that I was surprised to see as many homosexual agenda supporters as I did. Still, I'm fully opposed to same-sex marriage (an arm of the homosexual agenda IMO) and as long as it's a votable issue, I'll be voting against it. I understand that the country is continuously shifting to the Left, but that's still no excuse for me to compromise one of my core beliefs.

I applaud you for doing so. That is how I am with opposing abortion. In this particular issue, however, my thoughts, for whatever it is worth, are that they are going to be gay either way and it doesn't affect me adversely and who knows one of my kids or grandkids someday may turn out to be gay and I don't want them thinking I hate them or for them not to have the chance to be in a committed relationship, so why not. God will judge them but he will judge me too....
 
sooooooo you dont have any proof? thanks

I don't even know what you're talking about, I was was just pointing out that you proofed that you are ignorant. Your opinion should be given weight in accordance with your ability to spell and generally make your arguments in a coherent fashion, which you cannot do.
 
I'll admit that I was surprised to see as many homosexual agenda supporters as I did. Still, I'm fully opposed to same-sex marriage (an arm of the homosexual agenda IMO) and as long as it's a votable issue, I'll be voting against it. I understand that the country is continuously shifting to the Left, but that's still no excuse for me to compromise one of my core beliefs.
So we've all shared our reasons for being pro civil rights, why is it that you're opposed to equal civil rights for all persons?

Do you feel the same disgust for blacks marrying or women voting?
 
I don't even know what you're talking about, I was was just pointing out that you proofed that you are ignorant. Your opinion should be given weight in accordance with your ability to spell and generally make your arguments in a coherent fashion, which you cannot do.

you are free to have that opinion but my point/argument was 100% accurate, sound and has been backed up by facts. Your opinion of my typing ablity doesnt change these facts and it is meaningless to the vast majority of posters here and its also meaningless to all the honest, objective and educated posters around here. :shrug:
 
So we've all shared our reasons for being pro civil rights, why is it that you're opposed to equal civil rights for all persons?

It's probably similar to the reason you're opposed to equal civil rights for consenting incestuous adults and consenting groups of polygamists.
 
It's probably similar to the reason you're opposed to equal civil rights for consenting incestuous adults and consenting groups of polygamists.

thats not EQUAL rights that would be NEW rights. HUGE difference.
 
thats not EQUAL rights that would be NEW rights. HUGE difference.

The only right in question is the right to marry whoever we want. If we all have this right it would imply there are no new rights being added for the groups you are rejecting.
 
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