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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%

  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%

  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%

  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%

  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%
  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
digsbe said:
Which is why I can't support the SSM issue as an "equal rights" issue or that sexuality has any play at all when it comes to issuing rights.
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That's ridiculous. It is an equal rights issue, LGBT people deserve to be treated equally under the law, period.
 
Your Star said:
That's ridiculous. It is an equal rights issue, LGBT people deserve to be treated equally under the law, period.
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They are, any woman can marry a man and any man can marry a woman. LGBT people have equal rights under the law just like anyone else since the majority of marriage laws do not recognize sexuality but define marriage as one man one woman. They just cannot marry in most states to satisfy their sexuality in a marriage contract. I'm all for allowing SSM, but I don't believe it's an equal rights issue nor should sexuality be something that is protected Constitutionally.
 
digsbe said:
They are, any woman can marry a man and any man can marry a woman. LGBT people have equal rights under the law just like anyone else since the majority of marriage laws do not recognize sexuality but define marriage as one man one woman. They just cannot marry in most states to satisfy their sexuality in a marriage contract. I'm all for allowing SSM, but I don't believe it's an equal rights issue nor should sexuality be something that is protected Constitutionally.
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No, I do not have equal rights in this nation currently, neither do millions of LGBT people living in this country, and if you believe otherwise, well I can't say what I really believe without violating the rules so I'll let your imagination do the work for you.
 
Your Star said:
No, I do not have equal rights in this nation currently, neither do millions of LGBT people living in this country, and if you believe otherwise, well I can't say what I really believe without violating the rules so I'll let your imagination do the work for you.
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Sexuality is not considered when determining rights in most states, this it is a non-factor. Legally speaking LGBT people have equal rights since in most states the definition is one man one woman. I don't think sexuality should be lumped in the same status as race, religion, and gender.
 
digsbe said:
Sexuality is not considered when determining rights in most states, this it is a non-factor. Legally speaking LGBT people have equal rights since in most states the definition is one man one woman. I don't think sexuality should be lumped in the same status as race, religion, and gender.
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Can't say what I really want to say, just know your wrong, and in a very bad way.
 
Deuce said:
Before they even met she was rendered unable to have children. For them, unfortunately, intent was just as ineffective as intent to have children for a same-sex couple, wouldn't you say?
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No, because no matter how you slice it, there's no way a same-sex couple can have a child together. Intent is irrelevant in their case.

Deuce said:
I'm glad you agree, then. Homosexual marriages aren't inferior just for their inability to have children.
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I agree that homosexual marriage is an abomination in the sight of God.

Deuce said:
Since when does my marriage have to prove anything to you, anyway?
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Since my faith in God had to prove anything to you.
 
Equal Rights. Why does a male and a women have the right but not a male and a male? And don't give me because the Bible says so. The United States was build on the idea of a secular state. The Bible should have no influence. If you are against it because of your religion, then don't engage in it. Contrary to common beliefs, not everybody practices your religion.
 
digsbe said:
Sexuality is not considered when determining rights in most states, this it is a non-factor. Legally speaking LGBT people have equal rights since in most states the definition is one man one woman. I don't think sexuality should be lumped in the same status as race, religion, and gender.
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So would you marry a person you were not in love with, and never had any intention of loving or having children with, in order to have the same legal status as others who are married?

Yes - a gay man can marry a gay woman. That's hardly a rational or reasonable argument.

Why can't the law state "one consenting adult and one consenting adult" ?

Then there's no issue at all.
 
OscarB63 said:
which was the point I was making...just too lazy to spell it out in such detail.

ie, my church has allowed the girl scouts to use our facility for meetings. if we refused to allow a gay couple to use our facility for a wedding...we could be sued.
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Please....that's just the weakest argument ever. Sure anyone can file a lawsuit. Doesn't mean a court will hear it. Doesn't mean the one filing the suit will win.

Did the girl scouts threaten to sue your church if they couldn't use the building? The word "allowed" seems to point to the obvious answer.

There are hundreds if not thousands of places people can go to get married. They don't need your church. And if they are not members of your church then your church can refuse to allow them access to use it. It's as simple as that.

Don't try fear-mongering something that's really about as unreasonable as pigs flying.
 
iacardsfan said:
Equal Rights.
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Wrong. If they actually had equal rights then we wouldn't be having this discussion, as SSM would be legal in all 50 states.

iacardsfan said:
Why does a male and a women have the right but not a male and a male? And don't give me because the Bible says so.
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That's exactly why I'm saying so. And don't give me "Because the Bible is irrelevant". The Bible happens to represent the belief of millions in this country.

iacardsfan said:
The United States was build on the idea of a secular state.
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Show me in the Constitution where it says that.

iacardsfan said:
The Bible should have no influence. If you are against it because of your religion, then don't engage in it. Contrary to common beliefs, not everybody practices your religion.
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Secularism should have no influence. Not everybody supports your secular point of view.
 
Dragonfly said:
Please....that's just the weakest argument ever. Sure anyone can file a lawsuit. Doesn't mean a court will hear it. Doesn't mean the one filing the suit will win.

Did the girl scouts threaten to sue your church if they couldn't use the building? The word "allowed" seems to point to the obvious answer.

There are hundreds if not thousands of places people can go to get married. They don't need your church. And if they are not members of your church then your church can refuse to allow them access to use it. It's as simple as that.

Don't try fear-mongering something that's really about as unreasonable as pigs flying.
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defensive butthurt much? or just not paying attention?
 
Dooble said:
Not sure if a poll like this has already been posted...
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Yeah, it has, like a million times, but that's ok, someone else behind you will make it again, and another after that, and so it goes.

Dooble said:
....but these are questions that I've been mulling over for sometime. Would appreciate some honest input.
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Well IMO since it does nothing to help the divorce rate it's like getting all excited over the special Olympics. Half of them will fail anyway so if they don't care, I can't make them. They gave up morality and ethics when they chose to be gay in the first place, so it's pretty much just a dead horse at this point.
 
Dooble said:
I agree that homosexual marriage is an abomination in the sight of God.

Since my faith in God had to prove anything to you.
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Which religion do you follow?

I ask because you aren't following Jesus at all, and so I'm wondering which one it might be.
 
Jerry said:
Yeah, it has, like a million times, but that's ok, someone else behind you will make it again, and another after that, and so it goes.


Well IMO since it does nothing to help the divorce rate it's like getting all excited over the special Olympics. Half of them will fail anyway so if they don't care, I can't make them. They gave up morality and ethics when they chose to be gay in the first place, so it's pretty much just a dead horse at this point.
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anything that cuts down on casual sex in reststop bathrooms, public parks, bath houses, etc is a good thing
 
Dooble said:
Absolutely not. I'm guessing the intent for both of you was still there, even though she was unable to have children. It's also important to remember that you came together as husband and wife. Good for you.
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What intent you talking about?

I knew full well about her situation when I asked her to marry me.
I married Lena because I loved Lena.Not because you or some deity that has no bearing on my life approves.
When my eldest child got married,she needed my and Lena's blessing.She didn't need to give a crap about what you,or anyone else thought about it.
When my youngest wants to get married,she needs my and Lena's blessing not yours or anyone else.We have no problem with her being a lesbian.
 
Dooble said:
Not before I suggest that you read the post I was responding to. His logic was flawed. There is zero proof that same-sex couples can love each other the EXACT same way heterosexual couples love each other. There's simply no way this is possible, as one major reason is that same-sex couples cannot create life together -- that is a bond they will never understand, and is a primary reason for marriage, in the first place.
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i hope you understand that this is your OPINION and nothing more and its also meaningless to equal rights
 
Verthaine said:
What intent you talking about?

I knew full well about her situation when I asked her to marry me.
I married Lena because I loved Lena.Not because you or some deity that has no bearing on my life approves.
When my eldest child got married,she needed my and Lena's blessing.She didn't need to give a crap about what you,or anyone else thought about it.
When my youngest wants to get married,she needs my and Lena's blessing not yours or anyone else.We have no problem with her being a lesbian.
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Awesome.

I'm still waiting for the day a SSM opponent can explain how somebody elses ability to marry changes their marriage.

My marriage is defined by my spouse and me. Not some church, not some god, not some book written a 1000 years ago and translated umpteen ca-billion times, and certainly not some hypocrite like Dooble.
 
Dragonfly said:
Awesome.

1.)I'm still waiting for the day a SSM opponent can explain how somebody elses ability to marry changes their marriage.

2.)My marriage is defined by my spouse and me. Not some church, not some god, not some book written a 1000 years ago and translated umpteen ca-billion times, and certainly not some hypocrite like Dooble.
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1.) exactly, youll be waiting forever because the fact is it doesnt at all, equal rights will never effect YOUR own marriage.

2.) this is also 1100% correct but what is also 100% correct even if your marriage was defined by "some church, some god or some book written a 1000 years ago"

equal rights STILL wouldnt impact that one bit because nobody is chaining what the church does or what some god says or what so religious books says.

all that stuff isnt effected at all. :)
 
Objective-J said:
1.) exactly, youll be waiting forever because the fact is it doesnt at all, equal rights will never effect YOUR own marriage.

2.) this is also 1100% correct but what is also 100% correct even if your marriage was defined by "some church, some god or some book written a 1000 years ago"

equal rights STILL wouldnt impact that one bit because nobody is chaining what the church does or what some god says or what so religious books says.

all that stuff isnt effected at all. :)
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but it's not about equal rights....at least that's the excuse several supporters used when I asked about the same equal right for siblings and/or polygamists
 
OscarB63 said:
but it's not about equal rights....at least that's the excuse several supporters used when I asked about the same equal right for siblings and/or polygamists
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yes it is equal rights, as explained to you before you simply dont understand what equal rights are. Would you like to go over them again? I gladly will.
Siblings and polygamy would be NEW rights, not equal rights.

and for the record id support polygamy 100% as long as its consenting sound mind adults.
incest i PERSONALLY would "support" but i would STOP them if they wanted to fight for NEW rights like that, the only concern i would have is the bearing of children (how safe or unsafe is it)
 
OscarB63 said:
but it's not about equal rights....at least that's the excuse several supporters used when I asked about the same equal right for siblings and/or polygamists
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So you're going to ignorantly throw out the incest card?

Is pedophilia next?
Bestiality?

A much more direct analogy would be inter-racial marriage.

Are you against that?
 
Verthaine said:
What intent you talking about?
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If she didn't have her ovaries removed, she would've been able to have a child. I'm guessing she would've wanted to have a child if she hadn't lost her ovaries.
 
Objective-J said:
yes it is equal rights,
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No, it isn't equal rights. We already discussed this the other day. At least I discussed it. You just kept bumbling through like a blunt instrument. Do you not understand how equal rights work? You have to actually have them before you can exercise them. ;)
 
Some religious people don't eat red meat on Fridays.
Some religious people won't dance or drink alcohol.
Some religious ladies won't wear pants.

It's called choice. If you believe it's wrong for gay people to marry, don't marry somebody of the same sex.

Providing a choice is the human, and christian thing to do. It's not judging, or casting stones. You won't be condoning anything by being silent.

As long as you are true to yourself, and true to YOUR religion, whatever anyone else does should NOT be your concern.

Let whatever GOD or GODS there may be, figure all that out.

Your job is not to judge others, but to live your own life.

Your religious morals are not mine, nor are they anyone elses.
 
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