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  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I donít want to be labeled a bigot

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  • Iím opposed to gay marriage

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    I repeat: this is not a question of 'rights'. 'Rights', as such, do not exist; what is actually extant is the ability of individuals to behave as they will and make that will a right - the right to Will in such a way that other men cannot actively defy it.

    In the case of gay marriage, gay individuals have every 'right' to conduct a ceremony as they wish, and they are then as validly married as the Traditionalist couple before the altar. And the Traditionalist couple has absolutely not the slightest 'right' to deny them that.

    To argue otherwise - to suggest that 'cultural norms' are capable of overriding the individual Will - is to slip into collectivism.

    Before the individual, civilizational routine falls away like discarded chaff; God Himself quakes in fear.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You forgot about sacrificing lambs and calves.
    Temporary symbolic proxies that allowed those prior to Jesus to have their sins covered under the Devine law that requires the most severe penalty for sinning against Almighty God while showing the utmost mercy to the people He loves.

    Interesting: under the Old Testament it was the duty of the High Priest to offer the annual animal sacrifice on behalf of all of the people. On the day Jesus was crucified, it was also the High Priest who unwittingly delivered Jesus over Pilate to be killed on behalf of all the people. Some historical accounts say he later realized everything that happened to the letter as the OT prescribed and dedicated his life to Jesus.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Temporary symbolic proxies that allowed those prior to Jesus to have their sins covered.

    Interesting: under the Old Testament it was the duty of the High Priest to offer the annual animal sacrifice on behalf of all of the people. On the day Jesus was crucified, it was also the High Priest who unwittingly delivered Jesus over Pilate to be killed on behalf of all the people. Some historical accounts say he later realized everything that happened to the letter as the OT prescribed and dedicated his life to Jesus.
    I'd like to see some links on that. I've never heard of a "high priest" in the OT. Just people sacrificing their OWN cattle (usually the BEST one) on occasion to "please" God.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'd like to see some links on that. I've never heard of a "high priest" in the OT. Just people sacrificing their OWN cattle (usually the BEST one) on occasion to "please" God.
    Old Testament outline: Leviticus 16. Leviticus 16 NIV - The Day of Atonement - The LORD spoke - Bible Gateway
    New Testament unwitting fulfillment: Matthew 26 Matthew 26:1-4 NIV - The Plot Against Jesus - When Jesus had - Bible Gateway

    List of High Priests of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Caiaphas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Not sure if a poll like this has already been posted, but these are questions that I've been mulling over for sometime. Would appreciate some honest input.
    As a heterosexual female, I could care less if two consenting same sexed people want to get married. This does not effect me in the slightest. It's a contract between two people and what they do is their business.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Men can do something women can't do. Women can do something men can't do. Equal Rights issue.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    The answer is two part for me, both supporting the choice that it's an equal rights issue:

    1) the good ole "two consenting adults making a consensual contract that don't impose on the rights of others"
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    2) Because homosexuality, IMO, is not a choice. It is something they are born with, the preference for the same sex. As some people are born with their left hand being dominate, some people are born with blue eyes etc. And so 'preference in gender' should be added to the civil rights act, IMO.

    Because both are true, it's a equal rights issue. If it were somehow proven homosexuals were making a choice, that it was not a genetic necessity that they are attracted to their own gender, the view would still be the same due to premise 1, though less demanding. But seeing as nearly every mammal species has homosexuality and I do not believe every species is conscious enough to make such a choice beyond natural urges, I confidently believe it is a natural preference for which they should not have less rights. Ergo, the injustice of not giving gays the same economic advantage due to a biological choice is that much more severe and the correction that much more demanding.

    I'm also not one that pounds the table that it must be called marriage. Marriage very well may be a religious term to many. But if it is a religious term, then it should not be a government term. Whatever the government terms it to be should be what it's called for everyone, however.

    The best option, IMO, would be to stop giving any married or contractually unioned partners, hetero or homo, any type of government benefits. Marriage shouldn't be a legal issue at all, but an issue of two people promising their love for each other. Why make it more complicated than that?

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A HUGE misunderstanding of the Old Testament. The section of the OT to which I think you're referring served two purposes:

    1. It was the civil code of ancient Israel similar to our laws and constitution. That particular aspect of the OT, or "The Law", applied only to how the government of ancient Israel was to enforce its laws from the time of Moses to the reign of King Josiah when Israel lost is national sovereignty. In America we also have laws and penalties that if the United States were to be dissolved would no longer apply. Hypothetically, if someone reading our laws outside of the US or at some point in the distant future saw where certain crimes call for the death penalty, that would not apply to them because they would be outside of the jurisdiction of the government of the United States or that state where a capital crime was described.

    2. The above all said, the Old Testament is also the word of God expressed to the human race. Another important aspect of the OT was to define sin (things that offend God), show mankind who otherwise think they are doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the Creator what displeases him and to give mankind a sense of just how serious God considers those offenses by the penalties He calls for if he were writing the laws of a society, yet retrains Himself because of his love and mercy toward people. People are real good at cherry picking verses out of the Bible without taking the entire Bible into context as it should be read, but even under ancient Israeli law you can read about numerous accounts where people violated capital crimes and the death penalty was rarely imposed usually in cases where the offending party was truly sorry for what they did because God loves us. Just because we are not living under ancient Israeli law, it doesn't make the things God defines as sinful okay. He still considers them just as wrong and simply used ancient Israel as an example to communicate his will it all societies throughout history. And being true to his word, he still required the death penalty for sin but because of his love and mercy applied it to Himself instead of us in the person of His Son so the the requirements of justice would be fulfilled and we could be legally forgiven on the basis of faith in and surrender to Him. This does not mean however that any sin is henceforth no longer offensive to God unless God later declared it to be fulfilled as in the case of kosher dietary laws, seemingly (and I might be wrong) put there to allow Jesus to be a perfect sin sacrifice undefiled by unclean meats himself or in his earthly lineage as the kosher dietary laws were lifted only after his crucifixion. Acts 10:9-:15
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Being true to how you think God made you does not exonerate you from His Justice.
    I always enjoy the fundamentalist mindset that picks and chooses the edicts to obey. The same chapter saying men shouldn't lay with men as they do women has a laundry list of other obmonitions few modern people adher to. My favorite is can only marry virgins unless your brother dies and then you have to marry his wife.

    Now as for who can sit in judgement, I'd recommend the fundies sit back and let Gawd handle the judgement side of religion- great societies have risen and fallen quite independent of homosexuality. Great Empires were build by elite military units of gay lovers. Most classical empires have lasted far longer than ours with homosexuality out in the open.

    Marriage isn't a religious thing. My wife and I have a marriage certificate but we never entered a Church, we stood infront of a Judge.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Nope, this is how God made me, and He loves me just the way I am. You can believe whatever you want, that God is this ultra-strict taskmaster who cares more about how closely people live to what PEOPLE wrote 2,000 years ago(which 99% of Christians ignore the parts about bacon, clothing etc BTW), but I'm going to believe in the God that has showed Himself to me, and make sure that for my whole life that love, peace, forgiveness, and good will towards men are the principles that guide me.
    I have no doubt that God loves you. He loves all of His creations. No one can express a greater love than God. The problem is, God is also bound by laws. They are higher laws, but are laws, nonetheless. The scriptures are clear on how marriage is to be conducted. If you truly believe that God intended you to be a lesbian, then I say roll with that, and I wish you luck. Final Judgement will be based on what we know, so perhaps things will somehow turn out just fine for you. In the final analysis, we all will end up where we truly want to be, anyways, and that's why I typically avoid beating people over the head with religious stuff.

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