View Poll Results: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

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  • Because Iím gay/lesbian

    3 1.76%
  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I donít want to be labeled a bigot

    1 0.59%
  • Iím opposed to gay marriage

    14 8.24%
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    17 10.00%
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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I'm one of those who pisses off supporters of "traditional" marriage and SSM at the same time. I'm for both and have been since the early 90's. If the religious folk want a separate meaning assigned to their traditional marriage, but are willing to recognize secular unions as being essentially the same thing as traditional marriage and that those entered into it are granted the same "rights", well we could be done with this debate. IMO those opposed to recognizing unions between SS couples are just resisting the inevitable.
    bolded: the same could be said of the supporters of SSM. if they would accept a secular union as being essentially the same thing as a traditional marriage and that those entered into it are granted the same rights, we could be done with this debate. but they won't because they continue to claim that "separate but equal" is not good enough.

    i have suggested many times on this forum that the govt issue 'civil union' licenses to consenting adults wishing to get 'married' and then if a couple wants a 'traditional' marriage then they can find a church to recognize their civil union as a "marriage"
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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    bolded: the same could be said of the supporters of SSM. if they would accept a secular union as being essentially the same thing as a traditional marriage and that those entered into it are granted the same rights, we could be done with this debate. but they won't because they continue to claim that "separate but equal" is not good enough.

    i have suggested many times on this forum that the govt issue 'civil union' licenses to consenting adults wishing to get 'married' and then if a couple wants a 'traditional' marriage then they can find a church to recognize their civil union as a "marriage"
    This is the wrong course of action for two reasons.

    First, religion does not own marriage. They didn't come up with marriage and they don't have any legal claim to marriage. We know marriage originated long before any religion that is practiced today. And we know that in many places, religion had no to little involvement in marriage. Even Christianity didn't care about marriage til around the 11th Century, or round abouts.

    Second, changing the word to anything else would cost money, whether it is for everyone or for just same sex couples or non-religious couples. There is no reason to waste taxpayer money just to appease people who wrongly believe they own the word "marriage" when they don't.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is the wrong course of action for two reasons.

    First, religion does not own marriage. They didn't come up with marriage and they don't have any legal claim to marriage. We know marriage originated long before any religion that is practiced today. And we know that in many places, religion had no to little involvement in marriage. Even Christianity didn't care about marriage til around the 11th Century, or round abouts.

    Second, changing the word to anything else would cost money, whether it is for everyone or for just same sex couples or non-religious couples. There is no reason to waste taxpayer money just to appease people who wrongly believe they own the word "marriage" when they don't.
    as I have said multiple times...it's not about having the rights...it's about having the name and the societal acceptance than comes with it.

    changing the word will not cost any more money than rewriting the existing laws to include gay couples. that is a weak argument
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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    I am a born again Christian. The Bible is my guide to what is right and wrong. This link provides us with what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?

    Since homosexuality is wrong, so is same sex marriage.

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Then please share your hypothesis for why HIV in gays is at an all time high.
    Because there are a lot of people with HIV out there and just like some heterosexuals, there are some homosexuals that do not use proper protection.

    Heck if you are concerned about people spreading HIV, then encourage safe sex practices. Preventing people from getting married is a failed hypothesis. Encouraging monogamy is a good way to prevent HIV and marriage encourages monogamy. Even for those who might go outside their marriage for sex, with or without their spouse's permission, they are more likely to actually practice safe sex than if they were not in a relationship out of concern for their partner's health. Marriage doesn't encourage people to have unsafe sex more often. It only brings those who were doing it on the sly and/or behind closed doors out into the open.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Im shocked that so many find this an equal rights issue. There is no right to marriage. This is about gaining benefits not rights. And you can marry anyone you like . Having the government acknowledge it is another matter. I say get the government out of the marriage business.

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    I am a born again Christian. The Bible is my guide to what is right and wrong. This link provides us with what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?

    Since homosexuality is wrong, so is same sex marriage.
    The link speaks about homosexual activity being a sin so would a chaste same sex marriage be acceptable?

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The link speaks about homosexual activity being a sin so would a chaste same sex marriage be acceptable?
    No as a marriage must be consummated

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    No as a marriage must be consummated
    Not necessarily. Some jurisdictions do not require marriages to be consummated. The UK for one I believe. In many places not consummating the marriage are grounds
    for divorce but that isn't the same thing.

    And as far as I know the Roman Catholic church recognizes unconsummated marriages as valid since you cannot just walk away from one but need to have the marriage dissolved.

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    Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Not necessarily. Some jurisdictions do not require marriages to be consummated. The UK for one I believe. In many places not consummating the marriage are grounds
    for divorce but that isn't the same thing.

    And as far as I know the Roman Catholic church recognizes unconsummated marriages as valid since you cannot just walk away from one but need to have the marriage dissolved.

    No the Catholic church does not. Its a reason for annulment. The purpose of marriage in the catholic church is to perpetuate more Catholics

    And you were speaking of sin. i dont think the government recognizes those as legal precedent.

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