View Poll Results: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

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  • Because Iím gay/lesbian

    3 1.76%
  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I donít want to be labeled a bigot

    1 0.59%
  • Iím opposed to gay marriage

    14 8.24%
  • I donít care, either way

    17 10.00%
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    wow could you be anymore dishonest, its common knowledge, its a fact no matter how much you spin it

    but since you like to play games i have no problem making you look even more silly and proving your statement are 100% lies

    here a link for requirements in PA for a county, nothing about children or sexual intercourse
    Washington County Register of Wills, Washington Marriage License, PA

    you lose, you are 100% WRONG
    We're not talking about kids or intercourse, my friend.

    It's between man and a woman. That's the argument.

    marriage legal definition of marriage. marriage synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    I'd point and laugh at you too, but I'm not a five year old trapped in an adult's body.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    1. I didn't explicitly call you a liberal, sir. That was a general statement since you're supporting the liberals in this argument.
    but you sure seemed to try to imply that I was.Tossing the ball and seeing what sticks so to speak.
    And apparently,quite a number of libertarians on this tread seem to be taking the same position.
    I am in fact supporting my own arguments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    2. All of my arguments based on physical or mental characteristics are based on the intuitive assumption of "healthy". So the answer is no. If I asked you whether you prefer apple or cherry pie, it's fair to assume that I'm not being conniving and talking about the apple pie being made with rotten apples.
    You do know what they say about "assuming",don't you?
    I have no way of knowing your current mental state,so you very well may be conniving.
    Are you stating then that homosexuals are in some way "unhealthy"?

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    We're not talking about kids or intercourse, my friend.

    It's between man and a woman. That's the argument.

    marriage legal definition of marriage. marriage synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    I'd point and laugh at you too, but I'm not a five year old trapped in an adult's body.
    Did you miss the post where I stated that Human Laws are not Immutable like the Laws of Physics.They can be changed.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    "accepting" parental rights and responsibilities also needs to be made permanent. the problem here was that since the other female in the relationship had none...the sperm donor was the only other person the state could go after. I agree that the issue is bigger than just SSM but it does apply to all SSM where children are involved
    This statement needs to be generalized greatly. Society is a heck of a lot more harmonious when people realize and accept their roles. The female must accept the fact that she as to carry the child during pregnancy. From the day you have a kid, you need to accept your role as a parent, in particular the parent role associated with your gender. Confusion and controversy will arise if I start spending my work hours vacuuming or washing dishes tomorrow, because I have a role to fulfill by being employed as a mathematician. This is the source of many of our domestic conflicts.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Good point. Gender is the most fundamental reason, and love between man and a woman is the primary reason. Thank you, Observer.
    Well sex does play a role in marriage it just so happens some people like the same-sex. They still love each other the same as any straight couple and want to get married.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Are you stating then that homosexuals are in some way "unhealthy"?
    IMO, the APA had it right the first time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Regardless, two individuals of the same sex who are both physically healthy will not produce a child together. Hence a child was certainly not meant to have two parents of the same sex.

    I oppose it also because the argument in favor can be applied to many other scenarios. The argument of "because they love each other" could be used by threesomes, siblings, or whoever in the world wants to claim they love each other and are committed.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The argument of "because they love each other" could be used by threesomes, siblings, are whoever in the world wants to claim they love each other and are committed.
    but...but...but..."that's" different. my only problem with supporters of SSM. they want to claim it's about equal rights...until you want to extend that same right to the others you mentioned, then it is somehow different and it's not an "equal" right but a "new" right.

    marriage is marriage and if you allow one set of consenting adults to get married...you should allow all groups of consenting adults to get married
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    This statement needs to be generalized greatly. Society is a heck of a lot more harmonious when people realize and accept their roles. The female must accept the fact that she as to carry the child during pregnancy. From the day you have a kid, you need to accept your role as a parent, in particular the parent role associated with your gender. Confusion and controversy will arise if I start spending my work hours vacuuming or washing dishes tomorrow, because I have a role to fulfill by being employed as a mathematician. This is the source of many of our domestic conflicts.
    Do you have an issue with my "manny"? He helps me take care of my children and will be the primary caregiver for them this month because my husband is in Bahrain and I have to go for my time in the reserves. He will be cooking, cleaning, vacuuming, helping with the potty training, shopping, and everything else that goes along with taking care of my children and my household. That is his job.

    And marriages where the man takes on more household responsibilities are actually happier and more likely to last than those where the man only works outside the home.

    Chores Make Men Happier - Men who help around the house have better sense of well-being: study
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    IMO, the APA had it right the first time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Regardless, two individuals of the same sex who are both physically healthy will not produce a child together. Hence a child was certainly not meant to have two parents of the same sex.
    That's funny,I thought you said you were a mathematician,are you a license psychiatrist also?
    While you are certainly entitled to your opinion,it doesn't necessarily mean it is correct,or that others have to accept it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I oppose it also because the argument in favor can be applied to many other scenarios. The argument of "because they love each other" could be used by threesomes, siblings, are whoever in the world wants to claim they love each other and are committed.
    You mean the same argument used by those that opposed interracial marriage?

    ď[T]he State's prohibition of interracial marriage . . . stands on the same
    footing
    as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or
    the prescription of minimum ages at which people may
    marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally
    incompetent.Ē
    (Source: Excerpted United States Supreme Court oral argument
    transcripts from Loving v. Virginia, from Peter Irons and Stephanie Guitton,
    eds., May it Please the Court (1993) at 282-283, quoting Virginia Assistant
    Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, arguing for Virginia's ban on interracial marriages)

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    IMO, the APA had it right the first time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Regardless, two individuals of the same sex who are both physically healthy will not produce a child together. Hence a child was certainly not meant to have two parents of the same sex.

    I oppose it also because the argument in favor can be applied to many other scenarios. The argument of "because they love each other" could be used by threesomes, siblings, or whoever in the world wants to claim they love each other and are committed.
    The problem is that you are making up the true argument that takes place when it comes to this issue or any legal issue. It is not one sided. You have to take into merit both sides of all those arguments, not just the one side.
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