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  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I donít want to be labeled a bigot

    1 0.59%
  • Iím opposed to gay marriage

    14 8.24%
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    17 10.00%
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    This issue ties into a larger issue,which would be Kansas' Adoption Laws.
    If Kansas allowed SSM,it would be the other partner that would have to pay child support,not the sperm donor.
    or the tax payers would have to foot the bill, if both partners were broke.

    I just found it interesting since this seems to be an issue that no one here has considered.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I absolutely agree that this particular situation is messed up and shouldn't happen, just as such a thing shouldn't happen if it were an opposite sex couple who couldn't have children due to low sperm count/mobility, used a sperm donor, split sometime after the kid was born, and then the mother went after the bio father rather than the man she was married to. This is a problem with our court system and laws, rather than having anything to do with same sex couples raising children. It is like that messed up situation where the man had to pay child support because the woman gave him a blow job and saved the sperm.
    agreed, to a point, and i only brought it up because any children 'conceived" in a SSM will, by neccessity, have to include a 3rd party and therefore the issue needs to be addressed in any legislation addressing SSM.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The laws of nature and biology are concrete and the reproductive system was meant for just what the name indicates.

    I swear, liberals want to make things illogical as **** by trying to force things to be equal which aren't meant to be.
    The laws of nature and biology tell us that higher level animals, such as ourselves, use sex as a form of social bonding. In fact, dolphins put their sexual organs into other dolphins nostrils. Pretty sure no baby dolphins are being made that way, but it does occur more often than to just call it "a slip and miss".

    There is nothing illogical about having sex for pleasure and bonding. And since we do have sex for other purposes besides trying to produce offspring, then it is not necessary to assume that people have to be able to produce offspring to have sex.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    agreed, to a point, and i only brought it up because any children 'conceived" in a SSM will, by neccessity, have to include a 3rd party and therefore the issue needs to be addressed in any legislation addressing SSM.
    No it doesn't. It needs to be addressed in different legislation that covers this for every such couple. Whether we are talking about sperm donors, egg donors, surrogate mothers, or bio parents giving up their children for adoption, we need to make relinquishing of parental rights and responsibilities permanent. It should not be a "for the most part" thing for either side.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The laws of nature and biology are concrete and the reproductive system was meant for just what the name indicates.

    I swear, liberals want to make things illogical as **** by trying to force things to be equal which aren't meant to be.
    I-Lets get this straight for the umpteenth time.I AM NOT A LIBERAL.If you can't argue on the merits without resorting to libel and deliberate lies,don't bother arguing at all.
    2-Are you saying that just because my wife had her reproductive organs removed due to cancer,that somehow she is inferior to other women,or our marriage is inferior to those that can reproduce?What if she was born barren,are you going to say she's inferior also?

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it doesn't. It needs to be addressed in different legislation that covers this for every such couple. Whether we are talking about sperm donors, egg donors, surrogate mothers, or bio parents giving up their children for adoption, we need to make relinquishing of parental rights and responsibilities permanent. It should not be a "for the most part" thing for either side.
    "accepting" parental rights and responsibilities also needs to be made permanent. the problem here was that since the other female in the relationship had none...the sperm donor was the only other person the state could go after. I agree that the issue is bigger than just SSM but it does apply to all SSM where children are involved
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    So a mutual respect and love for each other is not the primary reason for marriage?
    Good point. Gender is the most fundamental reason, and love between man and a woman is the primary reason. Thank you, Observer.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I-Lets get this straight for the umpteenth time.I AM NOT A LIBERAL.If you can't argue on the merits without resorting to libel and deliberate lies,don't bother arguing at all.
    2-Are you saying that just because my wife had her reproductive organs removed due to cancer,that somehow she is inferior to other women,or our marriage is inferior to those that can reproduce?What if she was born barren,are you going to say she's inferior also?
    1. I didn't explicitly call you a liberal, sir. That was a general statement since you're supporting the liberals in this argument.
    2. All of my arguments based on physical or mental characteristics are based on the intuitive assumption of "healthy". So the answer is no. If I asked you whether you prefer apple or cherry pie, it's fair to assume that I'm not being conniving and talking about the apple pie being made with rotten apples.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    "accepting" parental rights and responsibilities also needs to be made permanent. the problem here was that since the other female in the relationship had none...the sperm donor was the only other person the state could go after. I agree that the issue is bigger than just SSM but it does apply to all SSM where children are involved
    No it doesn't apply to "all" children from same sex marriages, since there are at least a few where the bio parent died or actually is completely anonymous and would have to be completely back tracked through the system to find.

    And the problem is not the couple, but with the state itself. The state is the one with the issue of not accepting that the lesbian couple had agreed to take financial responsibility for the children. Therefore this is an issue mainly with this states' laws.

    This does not happen nearly as often as you are purporting it to. The majority of states uphold that the sperm donor is not responsible for any financial obligations toward children begotten by his donation. This case will likely greatly harm sperm donation in Kansas if the sperm donor is completely made to pay child support because most men would not want to take that risk for just a little upfront cash or trying to be a helpful person.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Good point. Gender is the most fundamental reason, and love between man and a woman is the primary reason. Thank you, Observer.
    No love period is the primary reason to marry. Genders are not even part of the equation except for a very few.
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