View Poll Results: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

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  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
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    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
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    14 8.24%
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    the gender element is the primary reason for marriage.
    Geee.....and here I thought the reason I got married was for love.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I asked first. Seeing how you've proven unable to keep your opinions to yourself, you get to answer on behalf of Dragonfly.

    Good luck.
    Hello Mr. Pot,I hear you are looking for Mr.Kettle.
    You two seem to be very acquainted.

    There are a bunch of questions that various posters have asked you that you so adamantly refused to answer.
    Such as "Prove that you Deity even exists".
    Oh wait,my bad,you already admitted that you can't.
    The legal definition of marriage is not immutable like the Laws of Physics.
    It can,and it will,be changed.
    Whether you like it or not.


    So what other Commandments are your pride and vanity going to cause you to break this thread?

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Sperm donor ordered to pay child support to lesbian couple despite him giving up rights to the child | Mail Online

    not directly related to gay marriage but....this is ****ed up. lesbian couple takes out an ad in craigslist looking for a sperm donor so they can have a kid. guy responds to ad, makes donation, signs away all rights to kid, lesbian couple splits up and mom can't pay the bills...now the state has ordered child support from the sperm donor.

    WTF!!!!!!!!
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Sperm donor ordered to pay child support to lesbian couple despite him giving up rights to the child | Mail Online

    not directly related to gay marriage but....this is ****ed up. lesbian couple takes out an ad in craigslist looking for a sperm donor so they can have a kid. guy responds to ad, makes donation, signs away all rights to kid, lesbian couple splits up and mom can't pay the bills...now the state has ordered child support from the sperm donor.

    WTF!!!!!!!!
    You're right,that seems to be more related to the British Legal System then SSM debate here in America.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    You're right,that seems to be more related to the British Legal System then SSM debate here in America.
    what does a case in Kansas have to do with the british legal system?

    edit: apparently someone saw it was a dailymail UK link and didn't bother to actually read the article
    Last edited by OscarB63; 01-02-13 at 01:08 PM.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what does a case in Kansas have to do with the british legal system?

    edit: apparently someone saw it was a dailymail UK link and didn't bother to actually read the article
    Oops,my bad.I made a mistake.
    Happens when I have to answer a clients call.
    But I admit my error.
    Unlike some people on this thread....

    Ok.what does a single case in Kansas,have to do with this thread?
    It doesn't matter what the sexual orientation of the sperm recipient.
    The implications of that article is that any sperm donor can be liable for child support.
    I suspect that decision willbe overturned on appeal.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Oops,my bad.I made a mistake.
    Happens when I have to answer a clients call.
    But I admit my error.
    Unlike some people on this thread....

    Ok.what does a single case in Kansas,have to do with this thread?
    It doesn't matter what the sexual orientation of the sperm recipient.
    The implications of that article is that any sperm donor can be liable for child support.
    I suspect that decision willbe overturned on appeal.
    it shows a possilbe problem with SSM that needs to be addressed/considered. what becomes of the children of such unions when/if they split up since only one partner, at best, is the "parent" of said children? not a bash against SSM, but something that needs to be addressed.

    the problem in this case is that Kansas does not recognize SSM. this couple had adopted 8 (iirc) kids prior to contacting the sperm donor. all of them were considered single parent adoptions and only one partner put on the paperwork. (question: since the state went after the sperm donor for $$$$ to support this girl...why didn't they go back after the bio parents of the adopted kids for support? seems to me that 'the state" was just being petty and trying to punish this guy for helping a lesbian couple have a kid) the same with the girl born via sperm donor. only her mother was listed as a parent. the other lady in the relationship had no legal rights or responsibilities in regards to this child.

    this will be an issue in all SSM where children are born, since only one partner will be biologically tied to the child. as I said, definitely not a reason to be against SSM, but definitely one of the details that needs to be ironed out in any legislation regarding SSM.


    I also found it interesting that after being together for 8 years, this couple split up (relatively shortly after the birth of this child) and the "other" female from this couple is now in a relationship with a man
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it shows a possilbe problem with SSM that needs to be addressed/considered. what becomes of the children of such unions when/if they split up since only one partner, at best, is the "parent" of said children? not a bash against SSM, but something that needs to be addressed.

    the problem in this case is that Kansas does not recognize SSM. this couple had adopted 8 (iirc) kids prior to contacting the sperm donor. all of them were considered single parent adoptions and only one partner put on the paperwork. (question: since the state went after the sperm donor for $$$$ to support this girl...why didn't they go back after the bio parents of the adopted kids for support? seems to me that 'the state" was just being petty and trying to punish this guy for helping a lesbian couple have a kid) the same with the girl born via sperm donor. only her mother was listed as a parent. the other lady in the relationship had no legal rights or responsibilities in regards to this child.

    this will be an issue in all SSM where children are born, since only one partner will be biologically tied to the child. as I said, definitely not a reason to be against SSM, but definitely one of the details that needs to be ironed out in any legislation regarding SSM.


    I also found it slightly amusing that after being together for 8 years, this couple split up (relatively shortly after the birth of this child) and the "other" female from this couple is now in a relationship with a man
    This issue ties into a larger issue,which would be Kansas' Adoption Laws.
    If Kansas allowed SSM,it would be the other partner that would have to pay child support,not the sperm donor.
    And aren't the names of sperm donors supposed to be confidential?

    I agree that Kansas is being rather petty,and I suspect this case will be thrown out on appeal.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Hello Mr. Pot,I hear you are looking for Mr.Kettle.
    You two seem to be very acquainted.

    There are a bunch of questions that various posters have asked you that you so adamantly refused to answer.
    Such as "Prove that you Deity even exists".
    Oh wait,my bad,you already admitted that you can't.
    The legal definition of marriage is not immutable like the Laws of Physics.
    It can,and it will,be changed.
    Whether you like it or not.


    So what other Commandments are your pride and vanity going to cause you to break this thread?
    The laws of nature and biology are concrete and the reproductive system was meant for just what the name indicates.

    I swear, liberals want to make things illogical as **** by trying to force things to be equal which aren't meant to be.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Sperm donor ordered to pay child support to lesbian couple despite him giving up rights to the child | Mail Online

    not directly related to gay marriage but....this is ****ed up. lesbian couple takes out an ad in craigslist looking for a sperm donor so they can have a kid. guy responds to ad, makes donation, signs away all rights to kid, lesbian couple splits up and mom can't pay the bills...now the state has ordered child support from the sperm donor.

    WTF!!!!!!!!
    I absolutely agree that this particular situation is messed up and shouldn't happen, just as such a thing shouldn't happen if it were an opposite sex couple who couldn't have children due to low sperm count/mobility, used a sperm donor, split sometime after the kid was born, and then the mother went after the bio father rather than the man she was married to. This is a problem with our court system and laws, rather than having anything to do with same sex couples raising children. It is like that messed up situation where the man had to pay child support because the woman gave him a blow job and saved the sperm.
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