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  • Because Iím gay/lesbian

    3 1.76%
  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I donít want to be labeled a bigot

    1 0.59%
  • Iím opposed to gay marriage

    14 8.24%
  • I donít care, either way

    17 10.00%
  • Other

    32 18.82%
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

    If we are going to say that defining one man one woman marriage is a violation of the Constitution because it essentially bans SSM then I believe a Constitutional amendment will be required to make such a legal claim.
    Why on earth should we need the constitution to define marriage?

    That just seems so silly.

    If you don't want to drink alcohol because of your religious beliefs, don't drink it.
    If you don't want to marry somebody of the same sex because of your religious beliefs, don't marry that person.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why on earth should we need the constitution to define marriage?

    That just seems so silly.

    If you don't want to drink alcohol because of your religious beliefs, don't drink it.
    If you don't want to marry somebody of the same sex because of your religious beliefs, don't marry that person.
    You would need the Federal Constitution to define marriage or another legal action if you want to remove a state's right to define marriage for that state.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If you don't want to drink alcohol because of your religious beliefs, don't drink it.
    And if you do want to drink alcohol because of your personal beliefs, don't drink it, because alcohol is bad for you, anyways. Just like a large soda pop is bad for you, right Mayor Bloomberg (D)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If you don't want to marry somebody of the same sex because of your religious beliefs, don't marry that person.
    And if you don't want to marry somebody of the same sex because of your religious beliefs, then good for you; you're also obeying the law.

    Intersting that you compared alcohol consumption to homosexuality/same-sex marriage. Both can be destructive to the person physically, and most certainly destructive to the person spiritually.
    Last edited by Dooble; 12-28-12 at 12:34 PM.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, that would be a violation of free speech (just as with your previous example where 51% of a state believes women shouldn't speak). I completely agree that the federal Constitution applies to states. What I don't believe is that banning SSM, or rather, defining marriage as one man one woman, is a violation of the Federal Constitution.
    The problem is the body with the power to interprit the Constitution, the SCOTUS, found that marriage IS a constitutionally protected right. Which means it's as protected from being violated by the states as Free Speech is.

    I think you have missed my argument. I am saying that homosexuals as a minority are not protected under the Constitution nor is any sexuality.
    And you're incorrect based on legal precedence as evidenced by the concurring opinion in Lawrence v. Texas or the ruling in Romer v. Evans. You can state that they SHOULDN'T be, but that's a different argument.

    Also, statements fail to address the other point of my post which was suggesting that the issue could be completely seperated from the notion of "homosexuals" at all and be looked at by gender.

    States do have rights, what I said is that it would be tyranny to tell a state that has legally defined marriage as one man one woman (which in my view is not a violation of the Constitution) would be tyranny where the Federal government steps on the right of the states.
    Requiring that the States make their laws in accordance with the Constitutional requirements of Equal Protection is no more tyrannical than saying states must make their laws in accordance with the Constitutional requirement of free speech.

    The states have the authority to define marriage, they issue marriage certificates. The Federal government does not.
    I've never stated that opposition to those facts. They do have tha authority....but that definition MUST be constitutional in nature.

    I believe that DOMA is a violation of the Constitution and the rights of the states because it limits states that allow SSM. Federal marriage benefits in the workplace and other instances need to be given to legally married couples for that state, the federal government defining marriage and withholding those benefits violates the state's right to define the terms of marriage for that state. In this instance, DOMA is tyrannical. The opposite is also true, if the Federal government were to mandate that all states recognize SSM that would be tyrannical, it is overstepping it's boundaries and powers.
    I'll be honest in stating I don't know a great deal about DOMA so can't speak to it in the specific sense.

    As to your hypothetical argument which I have already addressed. If a state goes back to denying interracial marriage on the state Constitutional level that is illegal under the Federal Constitution because it violates rights based on race.
    Your argument makes no logical sense then. The Constitution no more clearly states that Race is protected then it states Sexual Orientation or Gender is protected. You are simply deeming that you'll adhere to judicial precedence in one case but ignore it in another. Which if that's the way you want to go...fine. But don't sit here and try to imply to me that your argument is based off the notion that Race is clearly a constitutionally protected class but sexual orientation isn't when they both are protected for the same reason...judicial precedence.

    So if I'm understanding you now....your argument is that Marriage is a constitutional civil right, and that there is a Constitutional requirement for Equal Protection of the Law, but that equal protection applies to Race but doesn't apply to homosexuals because........?

    The Federal government should not tell them what is or is not marriage and enforce such a thing because it violates state rights
    It violates states rights no more than the Federal Government telling them what is or is not a marriage in the case of race since it's based on the exact same constitutional principle.

    Also, you've still not addressed the notion of Gender Inequality...which is what I stated I actually argue based off of, not sexual orientation discrimination. Under the law the man is able to do something a woman can not and vise versa. Stating "Well people voted that they want it that was" is not a legally viable "important state interest".

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You would need the Federal Constitution to define marriage or another legal action if you want to remove a state's right to define marriage for that state.
    No ones wishing to remove the right for a state to define marriage....they simply wish for the states definition to be Constitutional. Stating that barring same sex marriages is unconstitutional no more "removes the states right to define marriage" then stating the barring of interracial marriages removed it.

    It restricts it....but the Constitution is meant to RESTRICT the government from infringing upon peoples rights.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    And if you do want to drink alcohol because of your personal beliefs, don't drink it, because alcohol is bad for you, anyways. Just like a large soda pop is bad for you, right Mayor Bloomberg (D)?

    And if you don't want to marry somebody of the same sex because of your religious beliefs, then good for you; you're also obeying the law.

    Intersting that you compared alcohol consumption to homosexuality/same-sex marriage. Both can be destructive to the person physically, and most certainly destructive to the person spiritually.
    Being gay does not harm one physically.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post

    Intersting that you compared alcohol consumption to homosexuality/same-sex marriage. Both can be destructive to the person physically, and most certainly destructive to the person spiritually.
    How about you phrase this another way...

    “It is contended that interracial marriage has adverse effects not only upon
    the parties thereto but upon their progeny . . . and that the progeny of a
    marriage between a Negro and a Caucasian suffer not only the stigma of such
    inferiority but the fear of rejection by members of both races.”
    (Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 26 and n.5 (summarizing the State's
    argument in favor of ban on interracial marriage))

    You are doing the same old song and dance as bigots before you,it's just the dancefloor that's changed.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Being gay does not harm one physically.
    Sure it does. The following paragraph on this link will be of most interest to you:

    Since 2000, the largest increase in syphilis cases has been among men who have sex with men (MSM). In 2010, MSM accounted for two-thirds of syphilis cases (67%), up from just 4% in 2000 (1). This is of particular concern, since MSM are also most heavily affected by HIV, and syphilis infection can facilitate HIV transmission (1).

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Sure it does. The following paragraph on this link will be of most interest to you:

    Since 2000, the largest increase in syphilis cases has been among men who have sex with men (MSM). In 2010, MSM accounted for two-thirds of syphilis cases (67%), up from just 4% in 2000 (1). This is of particular concern, since MSM are also most heavily affected by HIV, and syphilis infection can facilitate HIV transmission (1).

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    How about you phrase this another way...

    “It is contended that interracial marriage has adverse effects not only upon
    the parties thereto but upon their progeny . . . and that the progeny of a
    marriage between a Negro and a Caucasian suffer not only the stigma of such
    inferiority but the fear of rejection by members of both races.”
    (Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 26 and n.5 (summarizing the State's
    argument in favor of ban on interracial marriage))

    You are doing the same old song and dance as bigots before you,it's just the dancefloor that's changed.
    No, it isn't. You simply changed the dance to the racebaiter two step. Sorry, pal. I don't play your kind of racial games. Unlike you, I actually know how to separate skin tone from behavior.

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