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  • Because Iím gay/lesbian

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  • Because itís an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I donít want to be labeled a bigot

    1 0.59%
  • Iím opposed to gay marriage

    14 8.24%
  • I donít care, either way

    17 10.00%
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Although I don't support same sex marriage, I love gay people, if that makes any sense. I don't think anyone should be treated unkindly because of their sexuality. Like a lot of people I have gay friends. What I oppose is the societal "normalization" of something I believe God teaches is a sin. I also oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in something I think is sinful.
    If you loved gay people, you would not discriminate against them institutionally. Because, you see, institutional discrimination is NOT tolerance. Stop persecuting people.

    Regarding the bold, who forced you to do gay stuff?

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Psalm 22 is not about crucifixion.
    Of course it is.

    Pierced His Hands and Feet:
    Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 22:16
    New Testament Fulfillment: John 19:17-18

    Gambled For His Clothes
    Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 22:18
    New Testament Fulfillment: John 19:23-24

    No Bones Broken
    Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 34:20 [and Psalm 22]
    New Testament Fulfillment: John 19:32-33,36

    Forsaken by God:
    Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 22:1
    New Testament Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46
    The Death of Christ - Prophecy Fulfilled

    Pierced hands and feet, no bones broken, forsaken by God and gambling for his clothes... all foreshadowed in Psalm 22 and fullfilled by Jesus, as explained explicitly the the New Testament.



    God's promise to David was a Christ, and David was well aware of this; thus, David foreshadowed the coming of Christ often.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course it is.



    The Death of Christ - Prophecy Fulfilled

    Pierced hands and feet, no bones broken, forsaken by God and gambling for his clothes... all forshadowed in Psalm 22 and fullfilled by Jesus, as explained explicitly the the New Testament.
    I'm not in the mood for games, this is patently fallacious reasoning.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm not in the mood for games, this is patently fallacious reasoning.
    Well, it's what all Christians believe. God's promise to David (and before him Abraham) was a Christ - salvation - the King that never falls, and David was well aware of this; thus, David foreshadowed the coming of Christ often.

    To think that the OT is not messianic is ignorant. All Abrahamic religions believe such.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 12-27-12 at 12:02 PM.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, it's what all Christians believe. God's promise to David (and before him Abraham) was a Christ - salvation - the King that never falls, and David was well aware of this; thus, David foreshadowed the coming of Christ often.

    To think that the OT is not messianic is ignorant. Even Jews believe such.
    Well look I believe it's true too. Psalm 22 is a fulfilled prophecy. But it never mentions the word crucifixion and none of the parallels are evidence, considering that the psalm was known to the authors of the Bible. The psalm talks about people casting lots for clothes, for instance, and then a thousand years later a guy who probably had that psalm committed to memory records that the Romans cast lots for Christ's clothes in order to bolster his claims that Jesus is the messiah. As an objective matter of evidence that is so flimsy as to not be worth discussing, it proves nothing. I can't imagine why it would give anybody "goosebumps" if they have even the slightest ability to think critically.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well look I believe it's true too. Psalm 22 is a fulfilled prophecy. But it never mentions the word crucifixion and none of the parallels are evidence, considering that the psalm was known to the authors of the Bible.
    The authors of the Bible claimed that Jesus's clothing being gambled for was foreshadowed in Psalm 22. You wanna argue against Scripture, from a Christian perspective?

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Although I don't support same sex marriage, I love gay people, if that makes any sense. I don't think anyone should be treated unkindly because of their sexuality. Like a lot of people I have gay friends. What I oppose is the societal "normalization" of something I believe God teaches is a sin. I also oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in something I think is sinful.
    I oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in someone elses' religious beliefs that are not my own.If christians feel that homosexuality is a sin,then they shouldn't engage in homosexual activities.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Regardless of the Old Testament, New Testament, Bible or any book of religion at all, you are free to have your own personal religious beliefs.

    However, legally, and morally for a GREAT many people, gay rights, marriage rights, and equal rights are the issue.

    Churches won't be forced to perform gay marriage. States and Governments will.

    This is not a church issue, but one for the entire society.

    I don't believe in the Bible and what it says. It is a book written by men, for men, and not the "word of god" no matter what god you believe in.

    You are free to interpret the Bible literally if you chose, but you are not free to force those interpretation on the rest of us.

    So you may say "I don't believe SSM is right for me and my beliefs" as long as you also say "but I am not going to force my beliefs on others."

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in someone elses' religious beliefs that are not my own.If christians feel that homosexuality is a sin,then they shouldn't engage in homosexual activities.
    Christians should be tolerant. Institutional discrimination is not tolerance. Did they learn nothing from Paul? Circumcision and abstinence ain't gonna save nobody.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The authors of the Bible claimed that Jesus's clothing being gambled for was foreshadowed in Psalm 22. You wanna argue against Scripture, from a Christian perspective?
    No, i just want to address this rationally. God is not cruel, He makes it possible to know Him through reason. One does not need to contravene reason to find God, quite the contrary. Reason is a gift from God and denying reason is as much a sin against Him as sex outside of wedlock.

    The only thing psalm 22 proves about the new testament is that the people who wrote the new testament had read psalm 22. Beyond that it is such weak evidence that it is embarrassing if that's all you've got to rely on.

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