View Poll Results: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

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  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    3 1.76%
  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    93 54.71%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    8 4.71%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    2 1.18%
  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    1 0.59%
  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    14 8.24%
  • I don’t care, either way

    17 10.00%
  • Other

    32 18.82%
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sure I have and I have done a divorce or two and drafted hundreds of commercial contracts but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
    Here are some thoughts on the subject from a much more knowledgeable lawyer than you:
    The Volokh Conspiracy » Is Marriage a Legal Contract?

    To wit:
    So marriage is a contract, and has long been described as a contract, but it’s a very peculiar kind of contract that has its own special legal rules. To ask whether marriage is “technically” a contract doesn’t make much sense, because it presupposes a single unique meaning for the term “contract.” If by contract you mean “a contract as typically defined at law,” which is to say a contract that has most of the legal consequences that a typical contract has, then the answer is “largely not,” because marriage contracts have such specialized legal consequences. If by contract you mean “something the law has typically labeled a contract,” the answer is “probably yes,” simply because “marriage contract” has long been a common term. If by contract you mean “a mutual agreement that the law treats as binding as a consequence of the parties’ having agreed to it,” then the answer is “yes.”

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Here are some thoughts on the subject from a much more knowledgeable lawyer than you:
    The Volokh Conspiracy » Is Marriage a Legal Contract?

    To wit:
    Funny, Volokh doesn't speak to what Fisher said:

    but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
    It's hilarious to me how you continually lecture people learned in their own fields when you have absolutely not one clue.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Funny, Volokh doesn't speak to what Fisher said:



    It's hilarious to me how you continually lecture people learned in their own fields when you have absolutely not one clue.
    Funny, you cane into the conversation out of context and obviously didn't read the preceding posts, just to troll me. Had you actually read the whole thread you'd see it's precisely on point.

    Oh wait, not funny... Typical. At this point I can't even remember what I said to you that got you so butthurt, Harsh, but you simply haven't got the discipline or argumentative chops to get the better of me. Just let it go.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Funny, you cane into the conversation out of context and obviously didn't read the preceding posts, just to troll me. Had you actually read the whole thread you'd see it's precisely on point.
    No, actually, I did, and you yourself interloped in the exchange between Fisher and Objective-J.

    Which has nothing to do with the fact that your quote from Volokh does nothing to refute what Fisher said. Perhaps instead of getting "butthurt," as you put it, you can simply provide what Fisher asked for instead of quoting yet another legal scholar whose writing you don't understand and which doesn't apply.


    Oh wait, not funny... Typical. At this point I can't even remember what I said to you that got you so butthurt, Harsh, but you simply haven't got the discipline or argumentative chops to get the better of me. Just let it go.
    Right, as all the threads you disappeared from for lack of support for anything you said attest.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    I see absoultely no logical reason for anyone to oppose SSM. Answers for the most common arguments against (IMO)...

    1. If it's because of religion, do you think the couple involved are not aware of what the Book says? Who are you to judge?

    2. It doesn't devalue your own marriage in any way, shape or form.

    3. What two consenting adults do is none of your business.

    4. In support of love and committment.

    5. Heterosexual couples don't always procreate, and some SSC's adopt.

    And last but not least,

    6. (TIC) Imagine the boon to the wedding industry......
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So things like wearing mixed linen's, and not having a bar on your roof are sins?
    Absolutely.

    Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to study those passages and in some cases the context of scriptures gives a better understanding. For example, some directives only apply during certain ceremonies or even a record of a conversation where someone was trying to deceive someone else. In such instances you can't decipher if verses of scripture are plucked out of the Bible and presented as stand alone statements.

    Nevertheless, there are not a few cases in the Bible where God just wants us to trust Him that he only tells us to do things that are in our best interest. If its in the Bible it must be there for a reason, even if I don't understand why. My job isn't to agree with God only after I've contemplated each leading He's given in the Bible and only follow the things I think are good ideas as if I'm smarter that God. Remember, every horrible thing that's ever happened in human history traces is origins to eating a seemingly harmless piece of fruit. What they didn't know was it apparently contained a poison that caused a mutation in those who consumed it as well as their offspring leading to sickness, death and causes us all become self-consumed and inconsiderate of others to varying degrees. It further seems once digested its adverse affects would spread to nearly all organic life on earth. He didn't go into detail as to why and it possibly made no sense in Adam and Eve. All He said was don't eat it because if you do you'll die. So yeah, if the Bible said don't wear mixed linen's and don't have a bar on your roof, its a sin absent some further contextual clarification.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    I support SSM for these reasons..

    I believe they should have that right.
    My spiritual beliefs have absolutely no problem with homosexuality
    I have a daughter that is gay.
    It doesn't hurt anyone exept for the sense of entitilement some of the Anti SSM crowd (or as I like to call them "ASSM-ites")
    As the owner of a company that owns resturaunts,catering services,and banquet halls,my company can easily make over a million dollars a year extra just from gay wedding.And in this economy I'd (as company owner and CEO) be a fool not to go for every legitimate and legal dollar I can.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Pretty interesting stuff. I've never heard of that before.
    Yeah. The Bible is a very intriguing read even if someone is a non-believer. I wasn't going to church but has a modern English version of the Bible that I would read. I figured out the OT was prior to Jesus and the NT was about Jesus and the early church. I got goose bumps when I first read Psalm 22, which is a detailed description of the crucifixion hundreds of years BEFORE is happened.
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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Yeah. The Bible is a very intriguing read even if someone is a non-believer. I wasn't going to church but has a modern English version of the Bible that I would read. I figured out the OT was prior to Jesus and the NT was about Jesus and the early church. I got goose bumps when I first read Psalm 22, which is a detailed description of the crucifixion hundreds of years BEFORE is happened.
    Psalm 22 is not about crucifixion.

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    re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I support SSM for these reasons..

    I believe they should have that right.
    My spiritual beliefs have absolutely no problem with homosexuality
    I have a daughter that is gay.
    It doesn't hurt anyone exept for the sense of entitilement some of the Anti SSM crowd (or as I like to call them "ASSM-ites")
    As the owner of a company that owns resturaunts,catering services,and banquet halls,my company can easily make over a million dollars a year extra just from gay wedding.And in this economy I'd (as company owner and CEO) be a fool not to go for every legitimate and legal dollar I can.
    Although I don't support same sex marriage, I love gay people, if that makes any sense. I don't think anyone should be treated unkindly because of their sexuality. Like a lot of people I have gay friends. What I oppose is the societal "normalization" of something I believe God teaches is a sin. I also oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in something I think is sinful.
    Last edited by Smeagol; 12-27-12 at 11:35 AM.
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