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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So you want us to emulate Communist China? A police state then?
    Where did I say that? I simply was pointing out that government can indeed accomplish a task if the people are behind it and it has the power to do so. The example I originally went with was zero tolerance for Nazi operatives within the USA in World War Two. You brought up the war on drugs and I went with that.
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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where did I say that? I simply was pointing out that government can indeed accomplish a task if the people are behind it and it has the power to do so. The example I originally went with was zero tolerance for Nazi operatives within the USA in World War Two. You brought up the war on drugs and I went with that.
    My point it, it isn't worth becoming a total police state.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My point it, it isn't worth becoming a total police state.
    And I concur in that judgment.

    I hope we as a people can allow and empower government to accomplish agreed upon goals and the tasks necessary to forward and meet those goals short of that nightmare.
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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hold on. Wait. You're suggesting that a magazine capacity limit is not the same thing as taking away all guns forever!?

    Blasphemy, sir. We don't do nuance around here. Gun control is Hitler, and a lack of gun control is also Hitler.

    we shouldn't ban speech in total, but we should restrict how much speech one is allowed
    there's your "nuance" in relation to free speech rights.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I concur in that judgment.

    I hope we as a people can allow and empower government to accomplish agreed upon goals and the tasks necessary to forward and meet those goals short of that nightmare.
    sounds great..... now , about those "agreed upon goals and tasks"....got any?

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    ...will form a union and fight back against tyrannical Republicans.

    Actually, they'd probably be as violent as any major union in the United States.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    A criminal is a person who does not respect the law or finds laws inconvienent and chooses to disobey them. Some gunnies have openly stated that they take their CW's into LEGALLY MARKED no gun zones. This is no different than the mindset of a criminal. They don't want to obey the law or they find it inconvienent. And these people have guns and "passed" all of the requirements to have them.

    As such I find the arguments of people like that against criminals to be egocentric and hypocritical. Their ego and arrogance blinds them to the fact that their actions have made them part of the group they are so hell bent to protect us from.

    As to the matter at hand. As I have many times it is a logistical impossiblity to ban or confiscate all weapons in the home.

    But taking a view from a gun owner on this forum, this may help. Have the gun and ammo manufactuers stop producing guns and ammo which has only one purpose to kill people. Have the government specifically identify those guns which would be considered legitimate hunting weapons.

    Make all CW's illegal. Then have a VOLUNTARY turn in program for people with any gun with a small payout for doing so. The money would come from taxes on the gun companies or fines for those who delay or "accidently" produce illegal weapons.

    Make the gun laws stricter and perhaps have separate areas like penal facilities for those who violate the law.

    Will these do the trick, maybe in the long term since as certain guns are no longer produced they will become harder to get. But in reality I doubt it. But something constructive has to be done and to bury your head in the sand ever time a suggestion is made that might save one live is escapist and moronic. You want to save lives, PROVE IT, stop whining and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE for a change.
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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Have the gun and ammo manufactuers stop producing guns and ammo which has only one purpose to kill people.
    I'll agree to this when you all guarantee that other people never represent a threat to other people.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My point it, it isn't worth becoming a total police state.
    if comes to that honest gun owners ought to take out as many of those who are pushing the police state as possible

    nothing scares a fascist or a dictator more than the thought of a 308 lobotomy and those who support such a police state will be soft targets easily killed as well

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if comes to that honest gun owners ought to take out as many of those who are pushing the police state as possible

    nothing scares a fascist or a dictator more than the thought of a 308 lobotomy and those who support such a police state will be soft targets easily killed as well
    Its always fun to read the murder fantasies of the right.

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