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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    It's actually not that hard since there is a list and:

    It's what we want we are not gun nuts like Americans we see no reason for a person to be able to own anything more than a hunting rifle or shotgun and certain handguns.

    Y'all are welcome to do things your way; we'll do things our way.


    What Americans may not know is that concealed carry is legal in Canada but the firearms officers refuse to give the permits

    A good example of why we don't trust government: they do **** like this if they can get away with it.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Y'all are welcome to do things your way; we'll do things our way.
    A good example of why we don't trust government: they do **** like this if they can get away with it.
    We have no right to it, and it's solely their decision. They are the only ones with authority to give out concealed carry permits. They have given out permits it's just extremely rare, but in Ontario only three people have managed to pass the test.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A person isn't a criminal until he/she becomes one. Many shootings are emotion outbursts and opportunistic. "Crimes of passion." Also crimes of economic desperation. A person doesn't catch his woman with another man and says "you two stay right there while I go try to round up a gun" and a druggie without a dollar can't buy one. No child ever sought out a black market gun to accidently shoot himself or another kid.

    These absolute slogans - on both sides - just don't work. There is no utopia and there are no absolutes. The debate should be in terms of reality, not absolutist slogans.
    Hold on. Wait. You're suggesting that a magazine capacity limit is not the same thing as taking away all guns forever!?

    Blasphemy, sir. We don't do nuance around here. Gun control is Hitler, and a lack of gun control is also Hitler.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    The guns will just be available through the black market. At that point, other criminals who are selling them are just getting more money and therefore more money. Look at the war on drugs. The cartels are gaining more money by having the drugs be illegal and are thriving off of it. The same thing would happen with guns.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hold on. Wait. You're suggesting that a magazine capacity limit is not the same thing as taking away all guns forever!?

    Blasphemy, sir. We don't do nuance around here. Gun control is Hitler, and a lack of gun control is also Hitler.
    Actually one MP here was kicked out of parliament until he apologized for saying people who want gun control are like Hitler.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We've created a special Fed agency and funded it in the billions and created all kinds of new laws and police proceedures... but boy we've done great getting weed and meth off the streets huh?
    You cant stop all murders so we should just make murder legal.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You cant stop all murders so we should just make murder legal.

    Totally missing the point.

    Murder =/= gun ownership.

    one is inherently wrong, the other is not.

    Banning murder affects only the guilty. Banning guns, or types of guns, also affects the innocent.... lots more innocent than guilty in fact.

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You really want to go there, and have that kind of a police state?

    In any case, all these tip lines and stuff have worked SO WELL in keeping drugs off the street right?


    Doing the same things and expecting a different result...
    Lets not pretend that government cannot accomplish a goal if we give them the tools necessary and they have the backing of the people to do it.

    That is my point.

    There is no war on drugs in the USA that truly exists beyond a PR campaign. There never has been any true actual real war on drugs in the USA. So to use it as example of failed government goals is a false premise right out of the gate. In 1949 Mao in China declared war on a drug problem that was much greater, far worse in terms of addiction and power of the drug and its widespread use in the population. Within five years, it was eradicated.

    So please do not tell me that an impotent eunuch cannot impregnate a woman. Perhaps the key is to get rid of the eunuch and bring in a stud who can do the job and has the proper equipment and knows how to use it. Or else don't try to get pregnant in the first place.
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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets not pretend that government cannot accomplish a goal if we give them the tools necessary and they have the backing of the people to do it.

    That is my point.

    There is no war on drugs in the USA that truly exists beyond a PR campaign. There never has been any true actual real war on drugs in the USA. So to use it as example of failed government goals is a false premise right out of the gate. In 1949 Mao in China declared war on a drug problem that was much greater, far worse in terms of addiction and power of the drug and its widespread use in the population. Within five years, it was eradicated.

    So please do not tell me that an impotent eunuch cannot impregnate a woman. Perhaps the key is to get rid of the eunuch and bring in a stud who can do the job and has the proper equipment and knows how to use it. Or else don't try to get pregnant in the first place.

    So you want us to emulate Communist China? A police state then?

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    Re: If we ban certain guns, criminals criminals who want them ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    It's actually not that hard since there is a list and:

    It's what we want we are not gun nuts like Americans we see no reason for a person to be able to own anything more than a hunting rifle or shotgun and certain handguns. What Americans may not know is that concealed carry is legal in Canada but the firearms officers refuse to give the permits.
    Even under those restrictions the available firearms are just as deadly so what is the point of those restrictions? What do they gain?

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