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    Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Well it seem all but certain that we'll run over the fiscal cliff. Meaning the Government will be shut down and Bush tax cuts will expire for everyone.

    Obama and the Dems want Bush tax cuts to expire for the 250k+ brackets (starting at around 3% increase for 250k up to 4.5% for 388k) and raise Capital gains tax from 15 to 20%. This by itself will cut deficit spending by over 10%.

    Boehner wants only people making 1 mill + to have Bush tax cuts expire. As I have stated in a previous post (early in the general elections) that this sounds nice but simply will not raise significant revenue. Boehner's proposal, by the way, is shunned by help the wealthy Republicans.

    Republicans want either

    1.No tax changes

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    2.Secretly want to raise taxes for all Americans and for political reasons can't say that. Going over the fiscal cliff would do that by default. On the bright side, in the short run deficit will decrease by around 20%. On the down side, a weaker middle class would almost certainly mean a slower economy. Much more so than tax hikes only on the wealthy.


    Who do you think will get the most blame when the Government fails to pass a budget plan for the future in time?
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    Well it seem all but certain that we'll run over the fiscal cliff. Meaning the YouGovernment will be shut down and Bush tax cuts will expire for everyone.

    Obama and the Dems want Bush tax cuts to expire for the 250k+ brackets (starting at around 3% increase for 250k up to 4.5% for 388k) and raise Capital gains tax from 15 to 20%. This by itself will cut deficit spending by over 10%.

    Boehner wants only people making 1 mill + to have Bush tax cuts expire. As I have stated in a previous post (early in the general elections) that this sounds nice but simply will not raise significant revenue. Boehner's proposal, by the way, is shunned by help the wealthy Republicans.

    Republicans want either

    1.No tax changes

    or

    2.Secretly want to raise taxes for all Americans and for political reasons can't say that. Going over the fiscal cliff would do that by default. On the bright side, in the short run deficit will decrease by around 20%. On the down side, a weaker middle class would almost certainly mean a slower economy. Much more so than tax hikes only on the wealthy.


    Who do you think will get the most blame when the Government fails to pass a budget plan for the future in time?
    Your post is so full of inaccuracies and omissions that attempting to answer it seriously would mean completely scrapping your post.

    Instead, I'll just answer the question in your thread title: It doesn't matter.

    A better question would be: Who loses? Answer: The American people.


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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Hopefully everyone in Washington gets blamed, since they're all at fault.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    Well it seem all but certain that we'll run over the fiscal cliff. Meaning the Government will be shut down and Bush tax cuts will expire for everyone.

    Obama and the Dems want Bush tax cuts to expire for the 250k+ brackets (starting at around 3% increase for 250k up to 4.5% for 388k) and raise Capital gains tax from 15 to 20%. This by itself will cut deficit spending by over 10%.

    Boehner wants only people making 1 mill + to have Bush tax cuts expire. As I have stated in a previous post (early in the general elections) that this sounds nice but simply will not raise significant revenue. Boehner's proposal, by the way, is shunned by help the wealthy Republicans.

    Republicans want either

    1.No tax changes

    or

    2.Secretly want to raise taxes for all Americans and for political reasons can't say that. Going over the fiscal cliff would do that by default. On the bright side, in the short run deficit will decrease by around 20%. On the down side, a weaker middle class would almost certainly mean a slower economy. Much more so than tax hikes only on the wealthy.


    Who do you think will get the most blame when the Government fails to pass a budget plan for the future in time?


    You're kidding, right? The press will be the ones who fix the blame and with their lips surgically attached to the TOOKUS of the POTUS, the blame is already fixed.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Obama signed this "bipartisan" joke into law, instead of using the "veto" in August. How can Obama and the press not blame demorats, who got credit for PPACA and "fixing" the economy? It seems that Obama wishes to tax less, spend more and pretend that combinaton "reduces" the deficit. Of course, the demorats will give the republicants increased defense spending in exchange for lower taxes on the 98% if the republicants will give Obama some extra spending too. DC has no brains, yet plenty of balls, to "kick the can down the road" while denying that they actually did so.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    I chose other because there was no option for both. BOTH parties are responsible.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Your post is so full of inaccuracies and omissions that attempting to answer it seriously would mean completely scrapping your post.

    Instead, I'll just answer the question in your thread title: It doesn't matter.

    A better question would be: Who loses? Answer: The American people.


    You got anymore lying political hackery you want to share with us?
    Totally agree.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quit ****ing spending if you can't afford it. Whether it's our POTUS or people wanting handouts, they waste money and expect others to pick up the tab. Learn some financial responsibility and we won't even mention the fiscal cliff.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Obama signed this "bipartisan" joke into law, instead of using the "veto" in August.
    Which August was that? It seems like there's one every year.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It seems that Obama wishes to tax less, spend more and pretend that combinaton "reduces" the deficit.
    No, he's pretending that such policies are a plain necessity in the face of the worst economic collapse in 75 years regardless of what short-term damage those policies might do to the deficit. Only it isn't pretending.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    DC has no brains, yet plenty of balls, to "kick the can down the road" while denying that they actually did so.
    Actually, the DC area is at least among the most highly educated regions in the country and has often been ranked first in that regard.

    As for the cliff, it arose as a manufactured provision that neither side liked or expected ever to have to deal with again. Once it came to loom on the actual horizon, Republicans assumed that their stance would be bolstered by the 2012 elections, so they did nothing earlier. And now they have no coherent idea of what to do at all.
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