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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The actual worker-to-retiree ratio in 1975 was 3.2-to-1. Today, it is 3.1-to-1. The SS Trustees predict it will drop to 2.0-to-1 in 2070. They do that by projecting that both legal and illegal immigration will be flat over most of the next 75 years. Wanna bet?


    Any well-informed analyst would caution that either approach is tantamount to attempting to dismantle the system. Understand there is no actually demonstrated need to do anything at all. If the SS trustees are even slightly off in their projections of GDP, or of no net immigration, or in their assuimption that life expectancy will continue to grow at the same rate over the next 75 years as it did between 1975 and 2000, then the SS Trust Fund will never be exhausted and the system will be able to pay 100% of currently scheduled benefits in perpetuity. This is the other side of the coin. Better look at that one as well.
    Then there is the SSAs own view of things to consider, that differs from yours: The Future Financial Status of the Social Security Program
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Are you trying to tell me that humans have nothing to do with the deficit spending?
    I'm trying to tell you that glaringly bad math skills are what led you to question the notion that revenue increases would decrease deficit spending. Mission accomplished, as far as I'm concerned. The number of diversionary irrelevancies you choose to raise won't change anything.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    I'm trying to tell you that glaringly bad math skills are what led you to question the notion that revenue increases would decrease deficit spending. Mission accomplished, as far as I'm concerned. The number of diversionary irrelevancies you choose to raise won't change anything.
    I'm wondering who's going to take the "credit" for going over the cliff. My answer is Obama. Taxes go up, Spending (particularly on the Military) goes down. It's could be a win-win for some depending on how you look at it. Big step for elevating our debt problems.

    It's a bigger loss for the conservatives, no matter how they spin it, they are loosing on two fronts; more taxes, and the military is getting cut.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Which August was that? It seems like there's one every year.


    No, he's pretending that such policies are a plain necessity in the face of the worst economic collapse in 75 years regardless of what short-term damage those policies might do to the deficit. Only it isn't pretending.


    Actually, the DC area is at least among the most highly educated regions in the country and has often been ranked first in that regard.

    As for the cliff, it arose as a manufactured provision that neither side liked or expected ever to have to deal with again. Once it came to loom on the actual horizon, Republicans assumed that their stance would be bolstered by the 2012 elections, so they did nothing earlier. And now they have no coherent idea of what to do at all.


    Yup, yup yup, you're right again. The holy and wise democrat Party tried and tried to make this right, but the evil Republicans destroyed all of the offers they made repeatedly to create a fair and balanced solution.

    By the by, can you link to the written offer or submitted bill that the Democrat party has offered on this? We all wait with anxious anticipation.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is the Republicans that are the losers and they want us all to be losers too.
    Misery loves company.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Then there is the SSAs own view of things to consider, that differs from yours: The Future Financial Status of the Social Security Program
    So who's right? I'm so confused.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    everybody loses; congress gets cleaned out, the president gets a recession for his second term, and the American people get improperly phased in austerity.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Boehner should not comprimise with Obama. The Republicans in DC should let us fall off the fiscal cliff and then blame Obama.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    I'm trying to tell you that glaringly bad math skills are what led you to question the notion that revenue increases would decrease deficit spending. Mission accomplished, as far as I'm concerned. The number of diversionary irrelevancies you choose to raise won't change anything.
    So humans have nothing to do with deficit spending?

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    I'll take the blame. We need to go over the fiscal misnomer. everybody needs to pay more and the government needs to spend less. this is the only way that will happen politically. I just wish the cuts and the tax increases across the board were larger.

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