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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Repulicans will blame democrats

    Democrats will blame republicans

    Independants will blame both
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Unless Obama + Dems are willing to make changes to entitlements, including changing the retirement age, I cannot take any of their proposals seriously.
    Retirement age was already increased in 1983. And Social Security pays for itself so well that it is sitting on a $2.7 trillion surplus. SS plainly isn't the problem. And you might want to remember that the reason people are entitled to SS benefits is that they have already paid for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Besides, the obvious point I think Dems are missing is that higher taxes is not the solution. We'd actually raise more revenue if we switched to a flat tax system, or a non-income tax system, such as a national property tax. It would also cost less to regulate, taxpayers wouldn't have to pay as much in tax-filing services, and the economic dead-weight loss would be far less.
    This is all just foolish. The revenues that any tax scheme returns depend upon the rates that are set within it, not upon what type of a tax it is.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    That's certainly all you'll see on TV.
    ..and in internet forums.. and in halls of congress... and in living rooms across the nation.

    if no compromise plan comes about... who will you blame?.... given your post history around here, I'd assume you will be blaming Republicans.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Repulicans will blame democrats

    Democrats will blame republicans

    Independants will blame both
    The Republicans. They have trapped themselves. They can't publicly say that they want to keep taxes down for the 1%, so their next best bet is raise everyone else's and proportionately the 1% will still pay less. Corporate Welfare has to stop.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Retirement age was already increased in 1983. And Social Security pays for itself so well that it is sitting on a $2.7 trillion surplus. SS plainly isn't the problem. And you might want to remember that the reason people are entitled to SS benefits is that they have already paid for them.


    This is all just foolish. The revenues that any tax scheme returns depend upon the rates that are set within it, not upon what type of a tax it is.
    The retirement age DOES have to go up because of the baby boomer generation. There are SO many retiring and NOT enough younger people working. The baby boomer generation is going to eat up SS, and it will probably be gone by the time I retire, if I ever get to.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Repulicans will blame democrats

    Democrats will blame republicans

    Independants will blame both
    Children play the "blame" game; We need better people in our Congress.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ..and in internet forums.. and in halls of congress... and in living rooms across the nation.
    Boehner and his people know what just happened. They don't need it explained to them. TV people and living rooms are almost all out-of-the-loop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if no compromise plan comes about... who will you blame?.... given your post history around here, I'd assume you will be blaming Republicans.
    It will depend on why. If it's because the Republicans decide despite the election to stick with the notions of Norquist and continue playing the same game of obstructionist nonsense they have been playing since 2007, they will continue to be the party at fault.

    Of course, Reid may be able to rewrite the Senate rules on Jan 3 which would create a whole new ballgame over there. And the Dems plus 18 fed-up Republican moderates could always control the House if Boehner can't.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The retirement age DOES have to go up because of the baby boomer generation. There are SO many retiring and NOT enough younger people working. The baby boomer generation is going to eat up SS, and it will probably be gone by the time I retire, if I ever get to.
    True, and I agree that we do need improvement here however, social security is separate from this budget shortfall.
    Congress, like a mentally challanged person, can only handle one thing at a time.
    1 (right now)... Correct tax rate for the wealthy
    2 (next week) .... Budget cuts
    3 (next month)......Social security reform
    All of this should have been done years ago...We did have a fair tax rate a generation ago....
    With the Congress that we have right now, I doubt if they can do a number one and a number two at the same time when using the facilities...

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Boehner and his people know what just happened. They don't need it explained to them. TV people and living rooms are almost all out-of-the-loop.


    It will depend on why. If it's because the Republicans decide despite the election to stick with the notions of Norquist and continue playing the same game of obstructionist nonsense they have been playing since 2007, they will continue to be the party at fault.

    Of course, Reid may be able to rewrite the Senate rules on Jan 3 which would create a whole new ballgame over there. And the Dems plus 18 fed-up Republican moderates could always control the House if Boehner can't.
    as I suspected....you'll blame Republicans.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Republicans will probably take the blame, but it's both parties at fault.

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